# Abuse of PvP game mechanics
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189
**Category:** š Get Help
**Tags:** pvp, rules
**Created:** [October 16, 2019, 12:20am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189 "2019-10-16T00:20:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 2
### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:47am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/21 "2019-10-16T00:47:38Z")
> [@Spacedooode](#):
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> Will,
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> you may need to step away from the game for a bit. Your past having fun and act like a scared animal backed into a corner.
I appreciate the advice, but this doesnāt help the current topic, itās you trying to distract everyone from the original topic.
> [@Remove](#):
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> 12+ paragraphs (I think they qualify) about āABN BADā
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> If you spend half the time your reporting on the forums playing the game and getting better you would not be having these issues.
Same here.
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/22 "2019-10-16T00:51:23Z")
Guys, this isnāt here as a discussion or as a plot against you, itās all facts. HOWEVER, since itās here, why donāt we discuss? What do you guys think is a good solution?
> [@loretdemolas](#):
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> Increasing class size helps to create a harder to attack base. Class size is mostly surface area. If I am limited in surface area I canāt cover turrets with an overhang to protect from fire from flying vehicles. Yes more class size does add more lag but so does having a class 5 CV with 24 HV turretsā¦ and it moves! Bases just sit there and do nothing but get attacked
> [@Remove](#):
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> Than perhaps a shorter warning timer would be an answer.
I appreciate the suggestions! I did suggest a shorter warning time wouldnāt work because a class 5 garage ship can still devastate a base in 30 second, BUT I appreciate you contributing and Iām glad for another suggestion. Maybe we can reduce it below 30 seconds? Have a 10 second timer?
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/23 "2019-10-16T00:51:52Z")
Speaking of factsā¦ What Rule did ABN break?
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### Author:  [@Remove](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Remove)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/24 "2019-10-16T00:53:04Z")
Will you actually suggested banning our entire faction over Not Breaking The Rules. You need to stop this.
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### Author:  [@420Inc\_Space\_Ranger](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/420Inc_Space_Ranger)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/25 "2019-10-16T00:55:22Z")
Nobody listening to me š class 3 ba n short timer with a bounce out to cvās instead of hws. Just like when Eton isnāt accessibleā¦ and the abn part š¤£š
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/26 "2019-10-16T00:55:33Z")
> [@Remove](#):
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> Will you actually suggested banning our entire faction over Not Breaking The Rules. You need to stop this.
Two things here, no I didnāt! I suggested to ban you āfrom PvP for the rest of the seasonā more of a kick than a ban, I proposed it because you where abusing, and I said you could join another faction. You where breaking the rules, thats why the class system is there, and the āyou need to stop thisā was just to annoy me, please stop, it doesnāt help anything.
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### Author:  [@Spacedooode](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Spacedooode)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/27 "2019-10-16T00:57:11Z")
This is a great idea ranger! Problem solved.
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/28 "2019-10-16T00:58:08Z")
Which rule, Will?
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### Author:  [@Remove](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Remove)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/29 "2019-10-16T00:58:33Z")
No, I am saying you need to stop because your just getting yourself more riled up. Your off the deep end right now, and itās not a good place to talk to people from.
We are a PVP faction. Your saying if you had your way our faction would either be banned from the only thing we do on the server or dissolve.
To Summarize:
You lost legit PVP in a manner completely within the rules according to old rulings, and your answer was to take to the forums and get the victors faction either banned or dissolved.
You have to be able to look at that objectively and see how crazy it is right? You lost PVP so ban the winners
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/30 "2019-10-16T00:58:56Z")
> [@420Inc\_Space\_Ranger](#):
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> Nobody listening to me š class 3 ba n short timer with a bounce out to cvās instead of hws. Just like when Eton isnāt accessibleā¦
I like it! Good plan!
> [@0z](#):
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> Which rule, Will?
You need to reread my post friend!
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/31 "2019-10-16T01:00:14Z")
You did not specify a rule, Will.
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### Author:  [@Chaotic](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Chaotic)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/32 "2019-10-16T01:03:07Z")
If ABN get banned from PvP, Iām sure theres another faction they can join š
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### Author:  [@Iron\_Gator](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Iron_Gator)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/33 "2019-10-16T01:11:30Z")
Hey guyz, Iām postin on the forum! š
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### Author:  [@loretdemolas](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/loretdemolas)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:41am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/34 "2019-10-16T01:41:44Z")
You are going to over salt your popcorn here bro
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### Author:  [@Saraiso](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Saraiso)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/35 "2019-10-16T01:48:31Z")
I personally support Space Rangers idea. Class 3 bases are a good compromise between defense and lag. Bouncing CVs is a wonderful idea, and works perfectly to prevent the atmo-hopping abuse of the kick timer. I like it š
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/36 "2019-10-16T01:49:09Z")
The timer does not reset by bouncing in and outā¦ Class 3 bases for the win! I will just agree to anythingā¦
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### Author:  [@loretdemolas](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/loretdemolas)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:50am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/37 "2019-10-16T01:50:02Z")
I donāt think you read the post. Yes you technically won the fight. But basically you brought a gun to a knife fight. You used cheeky tactics to take a base that you couldnāt defeat if you played with honorā¦ but since this is like your third time saying the same thing. I am not sure I can act as a catalyst to your thought process. Best of luck friend
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:52am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/38 "2019-10-16T01:52:09Z")
Were you there for the fight? I am guessing not since you think a CV had anything to do with the destruction of those basesā¦ Tanks melt bases now just a FYIā¦
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### Author:  [@loretdemolas](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/loretdemolas)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/39 "2019-10-16T01:57:52Z")
Donāt shoot the messenger, to busy with classes to enjoy the drama in game! Just dealing with the information I am given and read
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### Author:  [@Vengeance](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Vengeance)
#### Post date: [October 16, 2019, 1:57am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/abuse-of-pvp-game-mechanics/21189/40 "2019-10-16T01:57:55Z")
I see this post is getting out of handā¦lol
1. No banning of an entire faction for the illegal activities of an individual or a few individuals. Unless of course thatās everyone in the faction.
2. If CVs are the problem on GG, then lock them out of GG entirely. If that canāt be done, then have an instant timer that will destroy the CV as soon as it enters the atmosphere. No jail time, or temporary confiscation, just wipe it from the game.
No need to change sizes on bases or any of that which would cause lag increase.
If ABN is going to abuse and exploit the system, then change the system to no longer allow that type of abuse. Aka, no more CVs on GG.
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