# Clear abuse of PvP - God-mode?
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791
**Category:** š Get Help
**Tags:** support, pvp, rules
**Created:** [February 23, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791 "2020-02-23T17:44:26Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/1 "2020-02-23T17:44:26Z")
======= NOTICE FOR HELP =======
**I saw some RED bases on GG, I chose to place OP4 bases on GG. (the kind where each one has a land-claim) Less than 5 minutes later, Politary had dug his way all the way from his base to ours with a mini SV and he was underneath shooting the shields. I managed to deal with him but this was odd. How did he dig under our bases in under 5 minutes? He had to spawn and ammo the ship to get there too. Thatās not all though, this is also about the bases they spawned WITHIN our land claim.**
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**Player(s) with issue: WillEatsPie**
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**Server: NA**
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**Time (cb:time): 16:30 - 16:45-ish Feb 23 2020**
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**Playfield: GG**
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**[color=d0901d]Structure Name(s):XI.V-Tower\_o\_Gunz Mk4/color]**
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**Structure ID(s):unknown**
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**How can we help you now: Take a look into this, if you can prove they abused I want their bases removed, ours re-spawned, and since their ships were so destroyed at the time, their backpacks as well, or some form of punishment to stop this from occurring again.**
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Below are pictures from the beginning to the end, showing the range of our land claim, Politaryās SV on the map, and the oddly large range of their land claim which is somehow much larger than ours? How is that possible?
Politary digging below, while are bases are right there. (I donāt have a photo of his ship or anything, but you can see his privated SV under our base in future pictures)
RED dropping the first base
RED dropping the second base
Showing the two RED who did this
Finally, showing all FOUR of REDs GG bases
Something isnāt right hereā¦ I believe @gareth may have stopped by but Iām not sure.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:46pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/2 "2020-02-23T17:46:23Z")
You ignored my last message.
If you create next time a ticket with orange text I will reject it straight away!
Regarding digging look here:
> [@Clarification on digging under land claim device](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clarification-on-digging-under-land-claim-device/22654):
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> ======= NOTICE FOR HELP ======= What happened: =\>Iāve seen TAW member digging under our base with land claim active by shooting ground with laser rifle. As far as I know, thatās illegal. I warned them that Iāl make a ticket if I see it next time, but @Zackey_TNT said that itās a common tactics on NA and itās perfectly legal. Since there were cases of both warnings and no warnings after use of this tactics, Iād like to know the official stance for use of this tactic. Player(s) with issue: =\> ā¦
Regarding Landclaim Device:
You had no functional Landclaim device yourself or at least you didnāt proof the opposite.
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:49pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/3 "2020-02-23T17:49:10Z")
We did have a functional land claim on both bases, I can send you the blueprint if you want but they both had land claims, I could see it on the map before RED spawned their bases.
However, look at this. You can see there are TWO land claims in this picture, one from REDs base and one from ours. The perfect squares prove it @RexXxuS
I also forgot to post this
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/4 "2020-02-23T17:52:23Z")
Why you donāt ask the players who spawned the base in the first place?
Canāt you player communicate first between each other before pulling the admin trigger?
They are quite active here.
@Politary @CyIvIpak, who spawned the base and how did you spawn it?
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:53pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/5 "2020-02-23T17:53:35Z")
@Cylvlpak spawned the bases, he turned off his HV and used his drone while Politary was protecting him. It doesnāt matter how they spawned them though, this is clear abuse ofā¦ something.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/6 "2020-02-23T17:55:28Z")
> [@WillEatsPie](#):
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> this is clear abuse ofā¦
Nonsense.
I am bringing player interaction up because we had one case on PvE where I totally was not able to reproduce it and understand it.
A bug I guess, so no accusation is in place here but transparent communication so we can hunt the bug down or understand.
> [@Land Claim Device working or not on Atlantis?](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/land-claim-device-working-or-not-on-atlantis/22437):
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> ======= NOTICE FOR HELP ======= What happened: =\> I have build a small base on Atlantis and put down the land claim device. Few days ago another player had build a base 100m away from me and also put down the land claim device. Now i canāt build anything on my base. Are the claim devices then working or not? Or is the last claim device in area overwriting older ones, what i believe shoudnāt be happening? Player(s) with issue: =\> caricna Server: =\> EU Time (cb:time): =\> ā Playfield: =\> ā¦
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/7 "2020-02-23T17:57:52Z")
Huh, that is odd. Sounds like the bases may be a known bug then, it wouldnāt let me spawn HVs or SVs within their bases range. If this is a known bug, wouldnāt this fall under rule 1.1 ( **1.1** Under no circumstances will the use of any bugs or exploits for personal gain or profit, or any advantage be tolerated for any reason.) though? Either way it isnāt allowed.
They obviously knew the exploit existed if they were willing to let their ships get destroyed and risk their own deaths standing inside the land claim zone to spawn a base.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:04pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/8 "2020-02-23T18:04:26Z")
> [@WillEatsPie](#):
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> I want their bases removed, ours re-spawned
> [@WillEatsPie](#):
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> **[color=d0901d]Structure Name(s):XI.V-Tower\_o\_Gunz Mk4/color]**
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> **Structure ID(s):unknown**
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You didnāt provide any IDs. That is bad.
The name you mentioned is still alive.
So what are you requesting really?
It is an abuse if it somehow decided an outcome of something.
I only read demands from you.
Because it will heat up the situation even more I will take it away before:
A case was raised against you as well and I am fighting at two fronts here.
One obvious rule breaker (you) and some eventual rule breaker about the Landclaim Device (still open to evaluate)
So before we solved this, I ask you to remove your base breaking our rules or I have to do it.
[https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322453123572695062/681168794646741055/unknown.png?width=706&height=830](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/322453123572695062/681168794646741055/unknown.png?width=706&height=830)
> [@2. Fairplay & Gameplay](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/2-fairplay-gameplay/4361/1):
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> **8.7** **Lag Engineering.**
> DO NOT build structures with the intent to create lag for other players. (i.e. excessive lights, thrusters, triangles, etc.) Structures reported for possibly being created to generate lag will be examined by admins and decisions will be made & actions taken on a case-by-case basis.
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### Author:  [@WillEatsPie](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/WillEatsPie)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:06pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/9 "2020-02-23T18:06:48Z")
I wonāt post it here, but there are two designs of that base. I made a second base with much fewer triangles. Thats my design with fewer triangles than the original. It doesnāt cause lag, but it stops the structure from falling. Itās obviously not lag engineering.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:07pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/10 "2020-02-23T18:07:31Z")
I take this that I should remove the base?
I will check back in few hours again.
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### Author:  [@0z](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/0z)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/11 "2020-02-23T18:09:19Z")
Did you just admit to building something in a way to intentionally bypass a game mechanic? (Structural Integrity) š¤£
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### Author:  [@BigRed](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/BigRed)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/12 "2020-02-23T18:24:06Z")
Sorry for the drama, we will get this sorted. I will take a look at the bases designs and edit as needed.
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### Author:  [@Shadace](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Shadace)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/13 "2020-02-23T18:43:48Z")
I havent been part of this battle but might this be the solution for the land claim issue:
it really looks like land claim has been reworked how it works (or maybe this is the bug?)
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### Author:  [@CyIvIpak](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/CyIvIpak)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/14 "2020-02-23T18:44:14Z")
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### Author:  [@BigRed](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/BigRed)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/15 "2020-02-23T18:56:51Z")
Thanks for the info, Whatās your claim on the time line on that screen shot?
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 7:00pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/16 "2020-02-23T19:00:39Z")
> [@Shadace](#):
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> it really looks like land claim has been reworked how it works (or maybe this is the bug?)
exactly.
Before landclaim worked:
Landclaim zone + landclaim zone = spawn check
But as I posted before, it happened on PvE as well. Have to double verify
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### Author:  [@BigRed](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/BigRed)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/17 "2020-02-23T19:08:48Z")
We are doing some tests to see if a player drops a base with a land clam close to the ground does he see the yellow box on the map and an opposing playerās map not show this.
Iāve checked the base design and I see the Land claim is one full block above the terrain but back to testing.
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### Author:  [@sclossin](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/sclossin)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/18 "2020-02-23T19:52:03Z")
I noticed a few days ago that my player was not effected by the green line transition on GG. I was able to see past it when no others were. in addition the normal bit of lag you get when passing though it did not happen for me. Also during that time all land claim outlines did not show up on the map. Nor did the green line. I did not think much of it at the time and just relogged to fix the issue. I do not know what caused it nor have i tried to reproduce it. I did not think much about it at the time. Now I wonder if it could be related to the ability to bypass land claim areas. Maybe somehow the player could use this glitch to not register the land claims or green wall. Maybe look at it from the players info and not just from the structure(s) info.
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### Author:  [@BigRed](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/BigRed)
#### Post date: [February 23, 2020, 8:18pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/19 "2020-02-23T20:18:20Z")
thanks for the heads up ātime for more testingā
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### Author:  [@system](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/clear-abuse-of-pvp-god-mode/22791/20 "2020-02-26T20:21:54Z")
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