# HWS 7.X.X PvP limit correction
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518
**Category:** š° HWS Announcements
**Tags:** pvp, limitation
**Created:** [April 28, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518 "2018-04-28T21:21:48Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:21pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/1 "2018-04-28T21:21:48Z")
Hey [@everyone](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/groups/everyone),
even though Alpha 8 / HWS 8 preparations have started heavily and Iām focused on that part I donāt want to let you play in chaos or a bad state.
After some analysis on both servers the following changes will be applied on
> # Wednesday 9AM, 02.05.2018
- **Global Limit (faction)** limits will be removed from PvP planets and replaced with hard limits again. For _HWS 8 the goal is to bring this back but adjust the global limit a lot more reasonable._
_On NA Golden Globe for example some factions have at the moment 12-17 Hovers, most of them abused as āstationary defensesā._
So the ānewā limits are taken from HWS 7.X again:
- **15** faction **SVs**
- **10** faction **HVs**
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Alliances / Factions in general are a hot topic in Empyrion. While we canāt change the default gameplay of them we try to enhance the impact of them in HWS 8 with our own possibilities.
For example:
- reducing the global base limit but increasing the private amount to make small factions (splitting) less useful
- giving benefits to true faction / alliance gameplay; for example RP or credits
- implement some alt account checks to punish this abuse properly
- reward active / loyal players / factions
Letās see, we are trying everything possible to keep you focused on cool gameplay and establishing a fair meta.
Your HWS Team
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### Author:  [@Vandruis](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Vandruis)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/4 "2018-04-28T21:27:34Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> 15 faction SVs
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> 10 faction HVs
This still leaves room for 150 SVās and 100 HVās on GG if the alliance so wishes to field it.
Dropping global limits by 20% of your observations isnāt going to change much, in my humble opinion.
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### Author:  [@Ghost1](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ghost1)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/5 "2018-04-28T21:30:28Z")
Too bad limits canāt be allaince based rather than per faction. Either way they will have to take away those turrets to make room for mining vessels
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/6 "2018-04-28T21:32:57Z")
> [@Golden Globe - Suggestions - Concerns - Opinions](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/golden-globe-suggestions-concerns-opinions/11308/90):
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> The first step against some un-intentional play:
I want to bring it back to status-quo of HWS 7.X first.
If it worked in HWS 7.X and is a problem now, more things have changed and I will look closely again.
Keep in mind that splitting factions in a smart way canāt be controlled by us - only with some weird rules, with too much efforts for that short amount of time now.
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### Author:  [@Vandruis](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Vandruis)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/7 "2018-04-28T21:35:02Z")
This isnāt 7.x The alliances and factions are much larger. The alliances have WAY more factions than they did in 7.x. There are 12 or so factions on GG right now capable of fielding stuff as an alliance.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/8 "2018-04-28T21:37:50Z")
> [@Vandruis](#):
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> This isnāt 7.x The alliances and factions are much larger. The alliances have WAY more factions than they did in 7.x
And? Nothing on our part. This is the gameplay of the community.
We did not change this on our side.
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### Author:  [@Niewitch](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Niewitch)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/9 "2018-04-28T21:39:43Z")
is this per pvp planet, or globally those in any pvp count together ?
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/10 "2018-04-28T21:42:44Z")
> [@Niewitch](#):
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> is this per pvp planet, or globally those in any pvp count together ?
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Global Limit (faction) limits
Check the planets which have this in the description. Not all. Mainly GG, Arma, HWā
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### Author:  [@Wiseman738](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Wiseman738)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/11 "2018-04-28T21:43:02Z")
Very sad that this had to happen, once again us on EU are punished as a result of folks going way over the top on the other end.
However i donāt blame Rexxus for applying this to both servers; it is very difficult to have one rule for one and a seperate one for the other.
I must say I enjoyed the Global limits but the new hard limits wonāt really apply to us much either as we never had that much hardware on either planet.
Best regards and sorry that your time is being wasted on dealing with drama instead of 8.0 Rex, just glad it isnāt us-lot causing it.
Wise
PS: @Vandruis For us on EU our alliance has remained largely static, with one more faction being involved yet having no bases whatsoever on any of the playfields near us, purely for mining and trading is what we have them for. So this is mostly a NA issue. This isnāt me trying to be toxic or place blame games on NA over EU, but itās just sad that itās happened at-all, would be nice if both servers could play ānice.ā
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### Author:  [@CaptCrabbypants](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/CaptCrabbypants)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/12 "2018-04-28T21:44:24Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
>
> Nothing on our part. This is the gameplay of the community.
>
> We did not change this on our side.
I think the abuse of alliances falls under fair play guidelines. Its to the point of core locking a planet
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### Author:  [@Vandruis](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Vandruis)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/13 "2018-04-28T21:46:35Z")
Salty people do salty things when they get their butts kicked for a whole season, Wise.
If I had it my way there would be no alliances at all. If you wanted to work with someone, you best learn how to FOF.
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### Author:  [@CaptCrabbypants](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/CaptCrabbypants)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/14 "2018-04-28T21:47:12Z")
> [@Wiseman738](#):
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> This isnāt me trying to be toxic or place blame games on NA over EU, but itās just sad that itās happened at-all, would be nice if both servers could play ānice.ā
Weād love it tooā¦ the trouble is too many people would rather try to abuse rules to substitute fair gameplay.
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### Author:  [@Wiseman738](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Wiseman738)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:53pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/15 "2018-04-28T21:53:34Z")
Hmm iād like to keep Alliances As-is, but they need to flesh it out more, so you have more options. A simple āNAPā or (Non Agression Pact) could be a-lot different to an actual āallianceā. Never thought iād say this but until then iād favour a hard-cap of 5 maybe to stop the more āliberalā alliance-makers. At least then weāre all limited to being more conservative with base-placement.
Just a real shame that it has ever got this far. But I must say on EU itās been a really fun season, Thanks for all the hard-work @RexXxuS! And although most of the Russian players have taken a break (think they got fed up of us hunting them day/night anytime/anywhere) i have no doubt that theyāll return for 8.0 š
Best regards to yāall
Wise.
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### Author:  [@Niewitch](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Niewitch)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/16 "2018-04-28T21:58:45Z")
there should be limits in game itself to not allow more than only couple alliances to make in any faction.
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### Author:  [@Wiseman738](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Wiseman738)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/17 "2018-04-28T22:03:42Z")
I just think if the whole system was fleshed out more then thereād be less issues, but hereās me wishing š
Best regards and bring on 8.0 š
Wise.
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### Author:  [@Aerdred](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Aerdred)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:05pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/18 "2018-04-28T22:05:55Z")
Do need to be aware that, whilst itās not the norm, we (ACM) have rather a lot of Predators ready atm \>.\> though I believe weāre within this reverted limit. Iād noticed Rexxus was on GG (hunterboard) earlier, so heās probably seen our current setup.
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### Author:  [@Niewitch](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Niewitch)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/19 "2018-04-28T22:09:00Z")
we have seen it many times, as Finlancer fight many days with you guys, you have 3-4 alliances there
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### Author:  [@Aerdred](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Aerdred)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/20 "2018-04-28T22:13:45Z")
ā¦which has nothing on whatās the case on NA.
Weāre an alliance that was already formed to fight rather outnumbered against the Russians (et al) earlier this season and in previous ones. And, frankly; our numbers and activity have been far from insurmountable, onlyā¦ weāre experienced (which includes having bpās for pvp) and invested in benefiting from the new status quo.
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### Author:  [@Wiseman738](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Wiseman738)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/21 "2018-04-28T22:14:10Z")
4 factions; in one alliance. š
And all of us well within our global limits.
Best regards
Wise.
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### Author:  [@Niewitch](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Niewitch)
#### Post date: [April 28, 2018, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-x-x-pvp-limit-correction/11518/22 "2018-04-28T22:21:24Z")
yep we know :D, we are growing, in our 160 member elite dangerous group more and more is interested to play empyrion, soon we will take it from you š
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