Thanks… indeed the price is the only thing what needs to be discussed / thought about. That price is a little teaser 
Oh OK thats not the final cost… Its awesome the things you n Joshua are doing. Taken a game with barely no role playing to it and adding alot of techinical things that add so much depth is dam impressive.
I wonder how many people would stick out the game without this server… I genuinely wouldn’t lol
Just a heads up sure you are aware but tn:buy:5 or any number but 1 doesnt work, feally annoying with the small packages!
It is fixed
wow that was quick lol. Thanks!
Still doesnt work for me, over in NA at iron ore shop. Says would like to pay the correct amount but only charges for 1 and only spawns 1 
also
Red Sentinel Trading NPC Elemental Marketplace 460 / 19 / 279 125000
actually charges 175,000 so may need to update
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Sorry we forgot to update it on NA. We tested it on EU but did not think further xD
Will do it in a few hours and let you know.
Sorry for the inconvinience. Let us know what you lost.
Didn’t lose anything 
Thanks a lot will make future transactions easier!
Ok updated. Have fun
Hello. I was looking on hws connect and realize that mostly of the NPC traders arent there anymore… It is temporary or all of that NPC traders was from other players? Just wondering here… in past thats NPCs help me get supply to throw some stuff on market.
NPC traders are now on the Market planet 
yeah, i saw Karmalon Isles Emporion NPC on there. But have any others NPC there? Cause on hws connect has no one more listed
Hey,
as I wrote in the other news post I need a lot to do but will finish at weekend lastly.
There are already other NPC Trader which waits to be spawned and I add some server NPC Traders again.
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Great! I imagine how much work this new patch+new hws version are giving. I thought that may be this the reason, just wanted to take this doubt. Thanks!
As I understand it, NPC trader package prices are set arbitrarily. The problem I see here is that a seller, having no supply costs, can basically kill any sense of making the sold goods normally. I specifically refer to the set of epic weapons, which would cost on market a couple hundred thousand credits a few weeks ago, and can currently be bought for as low as 50k. And not only that, there’s other stuff in that offer, which has current market value considerably above 50k. I can break down pricing details, if necessary.
So what I’m conveying is this package is denying any value to PvE raids, and since they’ve reportedly became harder and the penalty for dying is very harsh, I can’t see any sense in Alienworld at all. Except for, maybe, as an expensive attraction (is it what it should be?).
But the issue is more general than just devaluing PvE fights. The guidelines for NPC Traders only state the “thematic” limitation, but I can think of 2 additional thematic packages that will make making money in any other way than mining gold or donating practically impossible.
I have no solution for this off the top of my head, but this does seem to me like a major problem.
The best way for market would be to keep the NPC packages high so that it remains an expensive way to get stuff fast and with no need to search for supplier. But arbitrating prices manually to keep packages expensive and not too far overpriced would require a lot of work.
So the way to go might be to add some costs to the seller. The most obvious thing is limiting NPC package daily sales number. Then they will strive to keep the prices as high as they can to still sell that number of packages, but not to dump as many of them as they can. The less obvious thing would be to require some rare resource to “fuel” the package sales. This could be more interesting, but seems harder to think through and implement. At first glance (nb: it’s a rough idea with some obvious flaws), you can’t sell gold in NPC shop (I hope, at least), so if every sale used a set amount of gold from seller’s account (from OCD or some special “fuel” as with HWS autominer), that would also limit the price dumping.
Indeed this is always a kind of challenge and lot of work to check.
The current xXx 50k package is indeed too low as I took some time now and checked the ingame market and money people have in their pocket. Changed it.
It was initially set like this because of the taxes and hard Gold Planet.
It is something we want to tackle sooner than later.
My idea for now is to change it to “OCD Trader”. So the items will be taken from your OCD actually but you get 100% of the money, not 77% like now.
Maybe the way of adding a “Installation fee” of the NPC Trader could work too.
But every way is right now a bit hard to implement. Will talk with Jascha about it tomorrow.
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Thank you for the quick reaction, I think that’s resolving the immediate issue.
The npc package which you refer is mine. Epic weapons cost no more than 500. How do I know, I’ve listed so many and how many have I sold…none.
The problem is epic weapons aren’t very good, but they are better than the standard weapons, they are not epic. Just ‘a bit better’
The price can change at any time based on how popular the package is. my last npc wasn’t very popular.
The only thing I’d like to see as an npc owner is the amount we get back, we shouldn’t have to supply the items as then the donation is for a feature we already have…hws trading, I’m not a trader so would be a complete waste However, we should probably get a smaller % back.
I have made my npc package because it’s so easy to make ammo, but such a boring process I would love to see a decent price for bulk ammo…but traders ideas of fair prices is ridiculous, that’s why there is no market. No one will buy because they can’t afford it.
I’m one of the richest ppl I’m sure and I’m like…might as well just make cos for that price it’s not worth throwing my money away or I’m like oh might as well just mine that with my AM cos price isn’t good.
You say about keeping prices high, for whom to buy. Prices should reflect the gold out there…why would people splash loads of money on stuff they can just make easy…
I takes me about 5 mins to make a lot of ammo in 25 constructors, it takes a long time to get to gold planet, mine (not safe) then make into gold bars/coins now.
When I made all my money as a trader it was making things in 40+ constructors and making what I could to make whatever money I could.
Why would most people pay 250 per pentax now I see on the market, the planets are littered with them.
I think the market has changed but a lot of traders haven’t accepted this and still expect to make lots of money quick. Just my opinion
You can list epics on Eleon market, but they are completely invisible to buyers (or it was that way until the 4.1 patch). Those shotguns you’ve listed on HWS marketplace in 3.x at 1k credits were bought, so even technically your statement is not true.
I understand your pain regarding the absence of ammo at fair price. But I didn’t yet have time to get to the ammo business, there does not seem to be a lot of other bulk traders and you still can’t sell items for less than 1cr at HWS marketplace (if I didn’t miss anything).
But anyway, I don’t see the ammo in your package as an underpriced item, because compared to other package contents (yes, epic weapons in the first place, stack of large fuel on the second), their cost is negligeable.