# Pre HWS 7 Announcement! Please read!
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440
**Category:** š° HWS Announcements
**Tags:** universe, hws7, ocd, story, alpha7
**Created:** [October 12, 2017, 10:13pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440 "2017-10-12T22:13:31Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TheRaven](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TheRaven)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/25 "2017-10-13T20:30:51Z")
> [@AlexAKM](#):
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> Im not Vanga, but its looks like 80% of server gonna be Allianceā¦ Why they NEED to live in PvE? Where dat sense of game? They gonna grind and build to the end of life on PvE, and we continue to watch EMPTY PvP-space, as it is for last 2 versionsā¦
Hey Alex you do have a point about origins the way they are shoving like minded people into the same corner is going to be detrimental just like it has been since the start. The only way to make origins work is to have red, blue and orange with the only difference is the color. The offline protection might help with the population in pvp.
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### Author:  [@TheRaven](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TheRaven)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/26 "2017-10-13T20:35:04Z")
Hi Rexxxus since the introduction of weather i noticed more lag added in multiplayer. Might it be possible to have some pvp planets with no weather effects, this will greatly help with the lag.
Thanks
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 8:38pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/27 "2017-10-13T20:38:41Z")
> [@AlexAKM](#):
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> Im not Vanga, but its looks like 80% of server gonna be Allianceā¦ Why they NEED to live in PvE? Where dat sense of game? They gonna grind and build to the end of life on PvE, and we continue to watch EMPTY PvP-space, as it is for last 2 versionsā¦
Ah, he is back ā¦ constructive as alwaysā¦
They donāt NEED to, they CAN for more RP. Trader and Guardians are merged into Alliance. So if we have some carebears they can live there, others not. No one forces you to get 100% of possible RP points per day.
Empty PvP last 2 versionsā¦ ehm nope.
> [@TheRaven](#):
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> Hi Rexxxus since the introduction of weather i noticed more lag added in multiplayer. Might it be possible to have some pvp planets with no weather effects, this will greatly help with the lag.
Hmm, lag in terms of netcode or FPS lag? If you have like a little benchmark made that would be cool for the Devs to improve but I will keep this in mind for our PvP planets. Thanks
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### Author:  [@TheRaven](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TheRaven)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/28 "2017-10-13T20:47:22Z")
The lag seems to originate on the personās computer i get 15fps less with weather effect also the same with teammates. All my 3 teammates have noticed it we all have 1060 or less video cards. Those few frames are not that important normally but when you engage other players plus the weather its bad.
There also seems to be a massive memory leak in 7.xx i need to restart the game regularly āMP ONLYā
PS where is the map š
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### Author:  [@Elfias](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Elfias)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/29 "2017-10-13T21:13:23Z")
@RexXxuS calm us down a bit with all these performance issues. Because universe will be bigger, class will be higher, I hope there will be more players etcā¦theres simply much more stuff for 7.0 and experimental so far doesnt offer much of performance which i belive will change.
But now you shared release date so are problems of experimental solved already? We still miss that last pass - optimisation so i hope it will be all ok.
But after last hours on server with structures dissappearing on New Berlin even when core was thereā¦will there be any improvment? (Btw maybe you can check what was happening there if you will find a second, tool might give us some answers why everything dissapered)
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### Author:  [@anon39929184](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/anon39929184)
#### Post date: [October 13, 2017, 9:51pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/30 "2017-10-13T21:51:16Z")
Guyās if you keep up with all the patch notes and stuff on Eleon forums you will notice that performance has gone way up with good coding to summarize quickly: (with testing that iv done personally between the 2 versions.)
Geometry is calculated a crap ton quicker than 6.0!
Terrain is calculated a crap ton quicker than 6.0!
Lighting is the same lag (more than 6 lights in a scene will bring you down lower than 60 fps) This has to do with direct lighting from Lightās placed on bases and ships, all the global illumination from the sun is good and smooth.
Textureās (New ones, epic looking) have a lot more depth and cause more lag than 6.0 but you can lower the settings and switch them off if you want.
Thruster effects and turret tracking lag has not been tested if someone could try this, it would be nice.
7.0 has introduced a stutter / frame freeze every few seconds but Eleon knows about it and knows it is code related and not hardware related and are working on it atm (at the moment).
7.0 has introduced a memory leak, but are working on it atm.
So to sum up the summery once the problems are fixed 7.0 will be a lot faster and performance light than 6.0 was.
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### Author:  [@TheRaven](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TheRaven)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/31 "2017-10-14T00:56:37Z")
I have read that they did some improvement. But after testing on multiple servers the lag is worst. Where have you noticed the improvements ?
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### Author:  [@Fulgrim](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Fulgrim)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 2:29am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/32 "2017-10-14T02:29:20Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Erestrium, Zascosium and Magnesium will be wiped from your OCDs and exchanged with 1 credit per ore/ingot/powder.
[\*] RIP š¢
But its for the best i guess, given the changes.
Would still adapt ratio to given resources.
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Become guilty if you killed 10 Alliance player in a row
Thats alot, and very unlikely to happen unless someone thorws himself on you on purposeā¦ why not make it 5?
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> 1 RP for living exclusively in PvE
Not sure motivating people to live only inPvE is the best wayā¦ given the relative low ammount of RP - why not change to āif have a base in PvEā?
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> 4 RP for living exclusively in PvP
Counts both faction and private building (is a faction structure in PvE cancelling this?)
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Overall the RP gain is almost doubled in comparison to HWS 6.
More then doubled, iād say. Anyhow, will there be more stuff to spend RP on?
Some unique pool of rewards for RPs?
**Globally - i like it, even tho my OCD hurts. Go, go Rex!**
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### Author:  [@AlexAKM](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/AlexAKM)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 6:47am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/33 "2017-10-14T06:47:28Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Ah, he is back ā¦ constructive as alwaysā¦
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> They donāt NEED to, they CAN for more RP. Trader and Guardians are merged into Alliance. So if we have some carebears they can live there, others not. No one forces you to get 100% of possible RP points per day.
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> Empty PvP last 2 versionsā¦ ehm nope.
I said as IT looks like. Nothing more. (Im always here, around)
They ask PvE for all the time, and they got it with cool conditions by faction RP-system. We will see what happens.
Not EMPTY PvP last 2 versions? :DDDDDDD Idk where u look, but I waste few EVENING for some PvP - and I find NOTHING. If u think I gonna live in game for seeing dat misterius PvP - u miss again. In 4th version everyday was mess - bc ppl need gold, they fly for gold, and all conditions helps to make it. 5th version got so AMAZING lags, that after 4-5 massive fights, everyone leave game again.
This version all wait fro months, but what we got? Another empty space with tons of āneed to doā for some āfunā? It makes fun impossible for everyone.
U jump in - u **NEED** hide ship (stealth or somewhere away), then u **NEED** fly on planet on SV with full cargo of ammo (good if noone shoot u, while u fly there), than u NEED to spawn and load HV/BA for creating some opportunities vs Bunker-owners in long terms. If u FIND someone to fight, than good, if not - u NEED to destroy/deconstruct all your stuff, bc u couldnt get CV there and just take all it away.
Fck, try to count HOW much āneedā we got here? Almost 90% of our faction drop such game, only some fanatic continue play with such conditions.
Now Im looking - what next. If we got another - "fly - hide - spawn - try to find - del - fly away"Ā© - than its fail. But while it didnt start, Iāll just waitā¦
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### Author:  [@anon39929184](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/anon39929184)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 7:46am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/34 "2017-10-14T07:46:32Z")
I noticed it earlier before this latest patch 7.0 to 7.2 where all good lag wise, this latest patch 7.03 messed up everything xD lol
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### Author:  [@anon39929184](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/anon39929184)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 7:50am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/35 "2017-10-14T07:50:31Z")
> [@AlexAKM](#):
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> Fck, try to count HOW much āneedā we got here? Almost 90% of our faction drop such game, only some fanatic continue play with such conditions.
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> Now Im looking - what next. If we got another - "fly - hide - spawn - try to find - del - fly away"Ā© - than its fail. But while it didnt start, Iāll just waitā¦
You forget thou, sv can warp now so you donāt need to bring huge cv packed full of stuff if that is required.
> [@Fulgrim](#):
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> Thats alot, and very unlikely to happen unless someone thorws himself on you on purposeā¦ why not make it 5?
If you raid an alliance base while they defending it then 10 kills will happen very quickly, remember when nod raided us? we all lost like 30 vehicles and they lost more lol.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 8:22am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/36 "2017-10-14T08:22:15Z")
> [@HWS 7 | 19th October release | Teaser IV](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/hws-7-19th-october-release-teaser-iv/7444/6):
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> Rexxx The donator planets are immune to the PVP rotation right?
Yes, only on the main servers.
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### Author:  [@Fulgrim](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Fulgrim)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:12pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/37 "2017-10-14T12:12:42Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> Yes, only on the main servers.
Will some area (ECC?) reamain PvE for OCD access?
> [@Kogami](#):
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> If you raid an alliance base while they defending it then 10 kills will happen very quickly, remember when nod raided us? we all lost like 30 vehicles and they lost more lol.
Sadly, the experience of this season PvP are beast ships, where you rather run out of ammo than kill anyone. Last fights we had with RED dozens of vehicles were lost, but there we easy under 10 kills overall during a 4 hours battle.
And remember that auto turret kills DO NOT count toward that. Only manual kill matters (so infantry or manual weapons).
> [@AlexAKM](#):
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> U jump in - u NEED hide ship (stealth or somewhere away), then u NEED fly on planet on SV with full cargo of ammo (good if noone shoot u, while u fly there), than u NEED to spawn and load HV/BA for creating some opportunities vs Bunker-owners in long terms.
Obvious you werenāt fighting in the past week. Golden globe was nearly non stop on fire. Red could have used your help.
Also, your thinking is wrong from the begining - your whole idea around gameplay was jsut to blockade the bunker, sure, it kills PvP when you keep camping.
Ask RED about recent fights.
And also - dismatling everything wouldnāt be such a pain if you were using normal sized ships.
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### Author:  [@Stunner666](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Stunner666)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:15pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/38 "2017-10-14T12:15:25Z")
> [@AlexAKM](#):
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> Im not Vanga, but its looks like 80% of server gonna be Allianceā¦
Who the fuck is playing Alliance^^? More alliance more to kill ! we need PKA back!
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> 8 RP in total for an Alliance member.
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> 80 RP in total per day. 10 max. of each.
Love you šš
Let the killing just begin! yeah yeah baby pow pow pew pew bƤm bƤm go wipe now š
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### Author:  [@Fulgrim](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Fulgrim)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:31pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/39 "2017-10-14T12:31:52Z")
> [@Stunner666](#):
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> Love you šš
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> Let the killing just begin! yeah yeah baby pow pow pew pew bƤm bƤm go wipe now š
You go allaince now. We need some alliance to kill.
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### Author:  [@Stunner666](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Stunner666)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:32pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/40 "2017-10-14T12:32:38Z")
> [@Fulgrim](#):
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> You go allaince now. We need some alliance to kill.
Hƶ who want to kill me??? I dont understand that nowā¦
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### Author:  [@Fulgrim](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Fulgrim)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/41 "2017-10-14T12:39:52Z")
> [@Stunner666](#):
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> Hƶ who want to kill me??? I dont understand that nowā¦
Well, iām going lawless, so i need you to go alliance so i can kill you for max reward š
You make PKA this season.
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### Author:  [@anon39929184](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/anon39929184)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 1:32pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/42 "2017-10-14T13:32:41Z")
Itās nice that all 3 factions are appealing iām really liking freelancer :]
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### Author:  [@Stunner666](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Stunner666)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/43 "2017-10-14T15:19:27Z")
> [@Fulgrim](#):
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> Well, iām going lawless, so i need you to go alliance so i can kill you for max reward š
Hmm how should it work? You want to kill me? Perhaps when i dont moveā¦ Dont knowā¦ we must try it. I dont think it worksā¦ š
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### Author:  [@TheRaven](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TheRaven)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pre-hws-7-announcement-please-read/7440/44 "2017-10-14T20:30:26Z")
Are you still going with class 7 ?
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