# PvP Changes Needed
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196
**Category:** HWS General Discussion
**Tags:** pvp
**Created:** [November 23, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196 "2017-11-23T06:15:49Z")
**Posts on this page:** 6
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### Author:  [@TacoIsland](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TacoIsland)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/42 "2017-11-26T15:58:33Z")
I have a class 1 CV I like to use to take a hit or two…
It’s only 10.5k blocks, it’s kinda small. Since it only has planetary weapons though it’s purpose is limited. But what it does do well, it is a major distraction for turrets.
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### Author:  [@ZipSnipe](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/ZipSnipe)
#### Post date: [November 26, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/43 "2017-11-26T16:16:57Z")
> [@RexXxuS](#):
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> While we can turn of Anti Grief in PvP it would mean that
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> a) Noobs don’t know how to defend properly with their OP
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> b) Noobs will be base camped around their OP and will die dramatically as soon as they log in
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> c) ^ That applies not only for Noobs and causes in history already massive of drama and was the main reason why we shut down OP at all.
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> We can try it since turrets are shooting now while OP is on but I smell drama around the corner.
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> d) A big drama was caused by moles, trying to dig under neath your base where you have no protection and turrets are not shooting now there. How you wanna defend that spot?
It sounds like we need to divide PVP into two areas.
Area one PVP for noobs with anti grief.
Area two Extreme PVP NO antigrieving
Problems solved
Another thing Rexxus, you are are only connection really with the devs, would be nice if they got rid of auto aiming guns.
Example last nites battle RAT +ACP vs OP4+PKA, we really only won because of numbers. In short 10 fully armed HV’s vs 6 Fully armed HV’s, the 10 win. Take away auto aiming and have a block count limit and those odds could have been different. PVP is really lacking skill, used to be nice when lil pea shooter sv fought each other , couple of shots and the other guy was dead. Now great big behemoth SV’s just pound each other with no real result unless tripled teamed against one.
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### Author:  [@Abrum13](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Abrum13)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 6:05am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/45 "2017-11-27T06:05:25Z")
PVP zone location is irrelevent atm. Its so fast to warp, especially with your auto brake off, noone is going to catch you. Unless you’re in a warp sled, and even then turrets suck so bad you’ll still likely get away.
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### Author:  [@Booyaah](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Booyaah)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 6:13pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/46 "2017-11-27T18:13:31Z")
@RexXxuS A simple fix Eleon could do that would solve the whole issue…if core is currently above ground, base gets full AG, if core is below default terrain, base does not get AG. They obviously figured out how to do it with turrets, I don’t see why they couldn’t do it with cores. I don’t think any new terrain made by filler tool above ground should be indestructible either.
If you’re paging down your base core underground, then you aren’t a noob in my book 🙂
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### Author:  [@Scorp](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Scorp)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/47 "2017-11-27T19:04:02Z")
> [@Ranzeth](#):
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> 7.0 was a PvE focused update, my sources have told me that 8.0 will be the PvP update.
I wouldn’t hold your breath. They’ve been promising PVP fixes since 4.0. They said in 5.0 that 6.0 would be the PVE update, and 7.0 would be a comprehensive PVP update… we waited and waited…
The long-awaited PVP update was to nerf weapons range, increase CV block damage to the point where nothing can be killed with fair fighting, and the ship now only bothers to look for a new target every 5 seconds it seems. Oh, and we now have clouds in space, volumetric lighting whether we want it or not, advanced textures …
Wow. Good going Eleon.
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### Author:  [@TacoIsland](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TacoIsland)
#### Post date: [November 27, 2017, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/pvp-changes-needed/8196/48 "2017-11-27T21:09:39Z")
It’s like asking for an anti diarrhea medication and walking away with a colostomy bag.
And it still smells like you shit yourself.
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