# Turrets shooting from underground
**URL:** https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467
**Category:** HWS Get Support
**Tags:** undergroundturrets
**Created:** [October 23, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467 "2016-10-23T10:53:08Z")
**Posts on this page:** 14
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 10:53am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/1 "2016-10-23T10:53:08Z")
Hi,
I just want to verify if having turrets shoot upwards through ground and terrain is legal now? Had a bunch of turrets towering above me shooting down, and then one or two suspicious ones that seemed to be placed further up closer to my base.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 10:56am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/2 "2016-10-23T10:56:41Z")
They are not!
Which planet / Base / faction?
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### Author:  [@TokenBlack](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TokenBlack)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 10:58am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/3 "2016-10-23T10:58:01Z")
Yes they are , I report it that it can happen on day one , NPC’s instant death ? Was being caused by guns shooting through terrain.
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:05am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/4 "2016-10-23T11:05:50Z")
Hi ReX,
It was on Gold/5AT - the enemy base was LHI, we had a few bases there my outermost one that was destroyed was Outer something.
When I logged in, all of our outer defenses were destroyed, and it appeared as if there were some underground turrets that had destroyed them… but not 100% sure as I spawned in after everything was blown up, I just know i noticed underground turrets firing at me as the closest ones.
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### Author:  [@TokenBlack](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/TokenBlack)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:14am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/5 "2016-10-23T11:14:59Z")
Edit: to OP 2nd day in a row same faction is using questionable means to attack / wipe out a base. Same factions
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:37am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/6 "2016-10-23T11:37:11Z")
I am here and saw no underground turret though.
But the Outpost from 5AT has some instead.
Since PvP is more serious now I am a bit sick of it. We can’t babysit this all the day.
So since it is all the time such a ping pong game I can only think of one solution:
If someone reporting it, I go godmode and if I got shot -\>
**"destroy ID"**
There is no mercy now like the old days “don’t do it but hey I removed your turrets”. Can’t do this anymore.
Allowing them is especially now a NO-GO. No one can even put a nose into a planet before got shot down.
So this is the only solution right now.
Since it is PvP we can’t restore stuff people lost by got shot down to it since it is PvP and you take care yourself but the base is gone after it. Period.
Hopefully the devs will fix it though…
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:39am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/7 "2016-10-23T11:39:43Z")
You didn’t find any there? I’m asking because clearly some thing was shooting at me as per the screen shot that you can see. So what caused that?
I mean it might not have been underground but it was shooting through terrain and I couldn’t shoot back at it so…
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:42am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/8 "2016-10-23T11:42:10Z")
For the record Im just seeking clarification on what was attacking me because it seems like an exploit to me, if it wasn’t that’s fine too but do you know why I was being shot through terrain as per the screen shot?
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/9 "2016-10-23T11:51:10Z")
Fully legit. It does not matter which faction but if I find any they get removed. The ranges and the power of base turrets are now way to strong that we can allow this.
There were no. Don’t know what got you shot though.
In godmode I can fly underground but still get targeted. This way I can detect them fast
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:51am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/10 "2016-10-23T11:51:52Z")
Also, can you tunnel into people’s bases? I noticed some tuneeding by hand and by ship, I’ve heard people say it’s not but I can’t find it in the rules.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:52am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/11 "2016-10-23T11:52:53Z")
Tunneling from hand will stop at 70meter on PvP. But they can with ships. Since you can protect yourself with that (with a little effort) it is the common PvP gameplay
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/12 "2016-10-23T11:54:16Z")
Okay so towers can shoot through mountains and landscape as long as they aren’t underground, makes sense you can’t really control that so.
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### Author:  [@RexXxuS](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/RexXxuS)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/13 "2016-10-23T11:54:58Z")
We had one case where a base shot through mountain due a bug ☹
That is nothing we can control
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### Author:  [@Ranzeth](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/u/Ranzeth)
#### Post date: [October 23, 2016, 11:55am UTC](https://forum.empyrion-homeworld.net/t/turrets-shooting-from-underground/1467/14 "2016-10-23T11:55:15Z")
Thanks for clearing that up, with the new patch everything is going to work so differently now.