Hello. I was looking on hws connect and realize that mostly of the NPC traders arent there anymore… It is temporary or all of that NPC traders was from other players? Just wondering here… in past thats NPCs help me get supply to throw some stuff on market.
NPC traders are now on the Market planet 
yeah, i saw Karmalon Isles Emporion NPC on there. But have any others NPC there? Cause on hws connect has no one more listed
Hey,
as I wrote in the other news post I need a lot to do but will finish at weekend lastly.
There are already other NPC Trader which waits to be spawned and I add some server NPC Traders again.
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Great! I imagine how much work this new patch+new hws version are giving. I thought that may be this the reason, just wanted to take this doubt. Thanks!
As I understand it, NPC trader package prices are set arbitrarily. The problem I see here is that a seller, having no supply costs, can basically kill any sense of making the sold goods normally. I specifically refer to the set of epic weapons, which would cost on market a couple hundred thousand credits a few weeks ago, and can currently be bought for as low as 50k. And not only that, there’s other stuff in that offer, which has current market value considerably above 50k. I can break down pricing details, if necessary.
So what I’m conveying is this package is denying any value to PvE raids, and since they’ve reportedly became harder and the penalty for dying is very harsh, I can’t see any sense in Alienworld at all. Except for, maybe, as an expensive attraction (is it what it should be?).
But the issue is more general than just devaluing PvE fights. The guidelines for NPC Traders only state the “thematic” limitation, but I can think of 2 additional thematic packages that will make making money in any other way than mining gold or donating practically impossible.
I have no solution for this off the top of my head, but this does seem to me like a major problem.
The best way for market would be to keep the NPC packages high so that it remains an expensive way to get stuff fast and with no need to search for supplier. But arbitrating prices manually to keep packages expensive and not too far overpriced would require a lot of work.
So the way to go might be to add some costs to the seller. The most obvious thing is limiting NPC package daily sales number. Then they will strive to keep the prices as high as they can to still sell that number of packages, but not to dump as many of them as they can. The less obvious thing would be to require some rare resource to “fuel” the package sales. This could be more interesting, but seems harder to think through and implement. At first glance (nb: it’s a rough idea with some obvious flaws), you can’t sell gold in NPC shop (I hope, at least), so if every sale used a set amount of gold from seller’s account (from OCD or some special “fuel” as with HWS autominer), that would also limit the price dumping.
Indeed this is always a kind of challenge and lot of work to check.
The current xXx 50k package is indeed too low as I took some time now and checked the ingame market and money people have in their pocket. Changed it.
It was initially set like this because of the taxes and hard Gold Planet.
It is something we want to tackle sooner than later.
My idea for now is to change it to “OCD Trader”. So the items will be taken from your OCD actually but you get 100% of the money, not 77% like now.
Maybe the way of adding a “Installation fee” of the NPC Trader could work too.
But every way is right now a bit hard to implement. Will talk with Jascha about it tomorrow.
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Thank you for the quick reaction, I think that’s resolving the immediate issue.
The npc package which you refer is mine. Epic weapons cost no more than 500. How do I know, I’ve listed so many and how many have I sold…none.
The problem is epic weapons aren’t very good, but they are better than the standard weapons, they are not epic. Just ‘a bit better’
The price can change at any time based on how popular the package is. my last npc wasn’t very popular.
The only thing I’d like to see as an npc owner is the amount we get back, we shouldn’t have to supply the items as then the donation is for a feature we already have…hws trading, I’m not a trader so would be a complete waste However, we should probably get a smaller % back.
I have made my npc package because it’s so easy to make ammo, but such a boring process I would love to see a decent price for bulk ammo…but traders ideas of fair prices is ridiculous, that’s why there is no market. No one will buy because they can’t afford it.
I’m one of the richest ppl I’m sure and I’m like…might as well just make cos for that price it’s not worth throwing my money away or I’m like oh might as well just mine that with my AM cos price isn’t good.
You say about keeping prices high, for whom to buy. Prices should reflect the gold out there…why would people splash loads of money on stuff they can just make easy…
I takes me about 5 mins to make a lot of ammo in 25 constructors, it takes a long time to get to gold planet, mine (not safe) then make into gold bars/coins now.
When I made all my money as a trader it was making things in 40+ constructors and making what I could to make whatever money I could.
Why would most people pay 250 per pentax now I see on the market, the planets are littered with them.
I think the market has changed but a lot of traders haven’t accepted this and still expect to make lots of money quick. Just my opinion
You can list epics on Eleon market, but they are completely invisible to buyers (or it was that way until the 4.1 patch). Those shotguns you’ve listed on HWS marketplace in 3.x at 1k credits were bought, so even technically your statement is not true.
I understand your pain regarding the absence of ammo at fair price. But I didn’t yet have time to get to the ammo business, there does not seem to be a lot of other bulk traders and you still can’t sell items for less than 1cr at HWS marketplace (if I didn’t miss anything).
But anyway, I don’t see the ammo in your package as an underpriced item, because compared to other package contents (yes, epic weapons in the first place, stack of large fuel on the second), their cost is negligeable.
I like the idea of a cap on how many sold, I’d have to go over to NA quick to buy all the best ones 
I’m all for spending my money and giving it to hard working traders, I want ammo in bulk along with lots of other things…but I’m not desperate, i won’t pay silly prices when gold is rare now.
If the market ever becomes booming, great no need for NPC traders…but atm the market caters to mostly new players, what about the rich guys?
1 thing I’m sure on is now my npc package price will go up a lot and no one will buy it.
I wouldn’t for any more than 60-65k and I’m mega rich. So where else is this market? So many new players who have it a lot harder now. Guns/ammo is lost so quick…1 death lost it all, why would you pay so much.
If epic weapons were ‘epic’ I’d say yea underpriced. I’d happily see a formula so maybe only people with x amount of playtime could buy or x amount reputation could buy npc trader packages.
It’s a hard one cos I mainly only bought NPC packages on the last one cos I couldn’t find items I wanted on the market.
Hws market is a bit more frustrating than I thought originally due to the large cost of getting there, but, if I go with a large cargo ship and spend 1,000,000 it’s not a wasted trip. Atm I look and see basically, nothing worth making the trip for.
Well, you said yourself that you didn’t trade them earlier. I did and I know of several trades with them. And the prices were from 50k to 250k (shotguns were much cheaper than that, because they were available at NPC shop).
As a side note, the server does seem to lack proper traders. I’m not even sure I’ll get to the Alliance’s job of destroying pirates (as I intended) any time soon at that rate.
I really like that idea. Must have like 100 rp to buy any npc trader packages…
You win as a loyal trader you can dictate price when resell.
I win cos I’m a loyal hunter and want packages.
Limited to 5 packages a day.
Now that would be a much needed win to the long standing players cos atm we are getting less and less for being loyal server members that new guys can’t get, you can buy Donator packages and have a lot more than me and others with a lot higher playtime.
I really would like to see the loyal guys getting rewarded…perhaps this is the way
Npcs packages
I have about 10 of every epic weapon. I will list tomorrow for every one, 50,000 each. Let’s see who buys them…
Also reference about alliance etc…now people are under the impression factions are just ‘guidelines’ I have seen less care given, less role play imo…which is what I loved most about hws.
What I see is most people are pirates with T,A,H or most fitting the P lol
Unless there was coding that punished people or made it so being in a faction mattered for now I find im mainly killing traders, not because I want to but because they attack us first, Almost every time…and if traders are doing that all the other factions will be too. So we have every faction acting like lawless…
Just as we speak, people started getting hang of the 4.1 patch. Epic minigun is listed for buying @25k.
Listing is one thing, buying is another. Maybe they go and then I’m wrong and the npc has to go up a lot.
Maybe guys haven’t used the weapons, I assure you they do not offer much more than standard weapons…90% of time you die before you can use (pvp) for pve if you need an epic weapon to take on the enemy your doing something wrong. The standard weapons should be like the epics and epics should be EPIC. I shot kills, rapid fire. Explosive rounds…something other than few more round slots and a minimal damage increase
You mean, noone will sell at 25k? I guess I wasn’t understood. The order was on “wanted” tab. So a person requested the item for 25k.
I don’t go on PvE without an epic weapon. Spiders are really scary.
Epics are also useful to take turrets down. You technically can do the same with non-epic version, but it’s harder and/or slower.
Oh I see, in which case I will remove all epic weapons from the package tomorrow. I guess people don’t realise you can get upto 6 in some alien bases in alien world…that’s like 150k easy money, I’ll bear that in mind ;).
So much this! Or even having to physically supply all or a portion (50% for example, if you give the NPC trader 10k ingots, it can sell 20k) of the supplies provided by the NPC by way of supply convoy. Would allow for cost balancing, and get traders out and about, possibly hiring alliance or hunter as escorts.