HWS trader bug and lvl 25 patreon "benefit" trap

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HWS trader bug with limits.
I have found its existence really at a good time. When I wanted to buy something really bad.

It consists of the following: if you try to buy more packages than you are allowed as if you purchased 1, then try buying 4, it will fail.

However, the check on the number of packages bought belives it to be the 1+4 packages, leaving you over the daily limit (or I got lied to again in chat about it being daily).

Now to the “totally the reward”. Lvl 25 reward is a trap. And a really bad one. It does not usually give you the skill points you would get by reaching that level. So you are just stuck at level 25 with only 25 skill points. From 2k or 8k you should have. Dont remember well.

I would recommend removing it or moving it to the master tier, where you get 10k points, too. Another solution is adding the points, but the master tier benefit of 10k points becomes like 20k.

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And now I visited the residence and got ejected into space without my ship. I cannot warp to it. Rescue it. Or do anything at all—I’m dying from freezing now.

With the use of HWS, Connect managed to sneak in and get my ship back. Not a fun experience, btw.

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Hello @Cosmoros
for the future please do not delete the template that was given to you. At least if you want help:

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The playfield is locked to Residence owner. Maybe that’s why.

I see it as feedback from you for now and note it down to improve.
Thanks.

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@RexXxuS it’s in HWS Community, so no template here :slight_smile:

With that said, @Cosmoros, Rex is right that if you want help, we need the support template filled out here: https://help.hws.global.
Otherwise, we just consider this feedback.

It’s an easy way to skip ahead in levels, for those who know what they’re doing. You can still earn upgrade points (UP) while you’re max level, and if I remember right, Reforged Eden also has some kind of “data” that can be crafted and turned into UP as well.
But you’re right, that it can be a bit unexpected that you don’t get the UP. Using a cb:reset to start over with your player though, you get to reapply all your skills again if you want.

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There is also the HWS Connect skill tree that fixes that issue.

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Might make sense to reshuffle the Patron rewards though.

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I double checked and can relieved say, that it is not a trap but labeled as it is: You only get the level, not the unlock points.

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As always and with everything in life: reading prevents bad experiences.

Regarding the HWS Trader buy limit:
I can’t follow 100%. Did you check the guide and noticed a wrong info or what exactly was not as you expected?

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for the future please do not delete the template that was given to you. At least if you want help:

I didn’t delete the template. I haven´t even got it this time. Usually, it auto-parsed, but it wasn’t even a thing this time. It´s not my first support thread so I was also surprised where did it go.

Regarding the HWS Trader buy limit:
I can’t follow 100%. Did you check the guide and noticed a wrong info or what exactly was not as you expected?

Is trader WIPE limited to 4 or DAY limited to 4? Because if its wipe limited I still only could buy 3 in total. Less than 4 the info tells. If its day limited I bough 1 and hit the cap.

The playfield is locked to Residence owner. Maybe that’s why.
I see it as feedback from you for now and note it down to improve.
Thanks.

At least make so you are teleported with the ship. If not for the teleports on ECC and orbit, I would have lost the ship with no chance of getting it back. You can’t reach it with another ship. It will end up stuck there, too. The only way I managed to save myself was due to home/go home on HWS commands and teleports.

I double checked and can relieved say, that it is not a trap but labeled as it is: You only get the level, not the unlock points.

You are missing a point. Getting to level 25, depending on what you are doing, can take between an hour and a few hours. And you also get all the unlock points that come with it.

But if you set it to level 25, you are stuck on max level, missing ALL the unlock points you would have in normal circumstances, leaving you to be level 25 but with unlock points of level 1. Now you are behind anyone else who, in just an hour, gets to max level.

I don’t see a single situation where using this is beneficial unless you do CSW and just need a level for some reason.

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I use this all the time. I primarily play on NA so this is super helpful for my EU side. I don’t need any unlock points over there at all. but on the NA side, I’m usually leveled up enough before popping the patron freebie. not to mention the several ways of obtaining unlock points long after hitting level 25.

there are two different supporter packages. One for instant level 25, the other for 10K unlock points. perhaps adding a third option that combines both so there’s a little more clarity? but either way, no matter how much of a warning there is…

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As I mentioned before, thats practically the only use; move to a different server where you need level 25, and that’s it.

If someone uses it to skip all levelling, they get 25 skill points at level 25. And yes, you can get more points. However, that’s not important and was mentioned in my previous message.

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again, there are two packages. one for max level and one for unlock points. having both makes sense, maybe not to you, but it has to others for many years before you found this place.

but I do feel there should be a third package that combines the both of them at a discounted rate :smirk:

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And again, you didn’t read what I wrote.

The Lvl25 package goes for the ELITE tier, level 25 and 10k points go for the MASTER tier. Elite =/= Master tier.

They are not on the same tier. The person who gets themselves elite and then gets a lift to ECC to skip all levelling becomes level 25 in name only.

Solutions can be:

  1. Give skill points that the player should get for reaching that level naturally.
  2. Add a tonn of warning so people know that it wont give any. (Not like it stops people tho)
  3. Remove the lvl25 from elite and leave it at master. Give a different benefit instead.

Empyrion command to set person to level sets him to that level. Even if you try changing it to adding XP if you add enough XP to reach level 25 you still dont get points. Only solution is set level and points separately.

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yet again, these are supporter packages on the supporter page that are given out for free to patreons. i suggested adding a 3rd to combine them to help ur issue. also providing yet another way to support the server. that’s really the reason for them, to support this place. is it not?

as an elite member, i very much do enjoy having the free lvl25 perk and have made good use of it for several years with zero issues. taking this away from a chunk of the community would be a bad idea indeed.

it’s better to think of opening ur wallet to keep the lights on rather than purchases at a department store…

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i guess i just see it differently because i remember when we did not get most of the patreon benefits there are now with the same donation amounts. adding more benefits could eventually change the pricing scale :grimacing:

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You keep arguing as if I want that benefit improved or give more benefits.

As stated, if someone donates and decides to use it, they get set to level 25 with skill points of level 1.

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again, it warns of this fact in the yellow “read me first” button. that is the reason we have a package that gives unlock points.

you say remove a supporter package that is not useful to you. i say its not about just you. other people find this very useful. we can have both options with no issue. leave the lvl25 upgrade where it is. add a 3rd option that combines lvl25 with the 10k f3 points and everybody wins.