First off, if somebody wants to speak on the matter, they should be allowed to do so as long as they follow the rules for forums behavior.
Secondly, most of the comments posted relate directly to the topic with either historical references to similar previous reports/instances and how they were handled.
If you’re going to attempt to moderate or censor what players wanna say, make sure there is a rule backing your attempt or otherwise, ironically, your own post becomes “bombing the topic” with more “investment to read all of that”
This whole thread is beyond stupid. Pirates are supposed to stay in pvp, no? as per bobs argument of ‘they are roleplaying Pirates’ ok fine, let them have their fun in pvp… regardless if the ship was left public or not… id honestly just have saved the print, then told the faction about it…
this whole garbage with ABN doing sketchy S#$% in pve is getting just stupid…
yes i understand it was public cockpit/ship who cares… its just all dumb as hell…
and they are proud of these exploits… these loopholes to any rule given…
the main reason weve had so many rule changes or extentions to rules on NA was due to ABN doing something stupid that should have been common sense not to…
now look at hws discord… they are trying to boast that theyve ‘captured’ prints and are selling them freely… i know of 3 prints at least that werent captured durring a battle or pvp excursion…
this coddling of one groups terrible play is just getting stupid… whats the point of being here if one group griefs the server with impunity… this is all dumb.
I’m back from my 8 hour bicycle tour. 98km so I had time to think about it for awhile (saw phone notifications popping up like crazy).
A very interesting case overall.
First, @0z was so kind to provide a good Report we had already in the forum! 3 years ago…
Let me re-share:
Especially
Nevertheless it is public and sure someone can call it theft but someone can call it public. Always a tricky topic. Especially when the owner of the structure is not near the ship. If the owner is near and someone steal it straight away it would be not cool and we would step in with setting him guilty etc.
Checking the logs we have a different situation than 3 years ago:
Firebeard was online, near and the big difference here is that previously public ship were visible on the Map (white marker) from everywhere. That was really like an invitation to grab it, especially if nobody was near it, right. Who knows, maybe the old owner left HWS for good.
In this case, even recorded you see a dedicated player, looking inside ships to steal it.
While it is really not smart at all to leave cockpits set to 0000 public, especially from a Veteran(!), there are now 2 rules coming into play:
1.1 Backpacks: You are NOT allowed to steal backpacks or structures from players on PvE Starter Playfields (planets and orbits) . This rule only applies to PvE Starter Playfields, not PvP Starter Playfields .
2.1 Do not grief!
The first rule was not broken, even it is poorly written with the introduction of “Backpacks:”. Hence @Firebeard does not get his ship back. There could have been a situation where nobody would be around and someone would look inside cause it’s a nice ship and oh, let’s fly it away. Without any bad intentions in mind. Anyways, lessons learned I hope.
But the crucial thing here is that Chaotic did it intentional even though he even greeted the player in chat (taunting) and just didn’t care about it, rather made jokes about.
He totally oversaw(!?) that we have a “Do not grief” rule (see at the bottom)!
Again, the big difference is that yes, he thought the first rule allows him to do it but if a player is nearby and wants his ship back, why on Earth should a solid Veteran player still take it? He has more resource than most players, he does not even need this ship. It was plainly put toxic and griefing, stealing the ship under the ass from someone away.
As Pirate you could have at least asked for a “trade” to teach him a lesson.
Anyways, as I quoted above regarding the 3 year old ticket:
it would be not cool and we would step in with setting him guilty etc.
So here we are in the future: Chaotic is temporary banned for 1 day as warning.
And yes there is no ticket about it open, but it fits in the same topic “Do not grief” (and be respectful, etc. etc.):
Just before the HWS 11 season ended he put this in EGS HQ. I punished him for that - even though he didn’t even bother / noticed about it I guess.
Now, AGAIN, he disrespectful put this piece of trash, disrespectful POI in the Galaxy out there. I don’t care the least if it’s TAW or HWP or whoever. It’s there and the meaning is obvious.
As I said recruiting and respect in the Community is high priority for me and this, the second time, is disgusting.
So since he didn’t learn the first time, maybe now: Chaotic is another 1 day banned = 2days now.
Additionally loss of some game progress.
If this EVER repeats, I mean the overall “don’t give a shit” mentality of fairness and respect HWS is not the right place for you I am afraid
Maybe you didn’t know how much value this “Do not grief” rule had for me, maybe it was fun for you. But now you know how it really is and there is no reason for a “next time” anymore.
you see a dedicated player, looking inside ships to steal it.
