We already gave video with such ship, and even here was Thread with BP on it.
(As I know, dat video also was send to devs).
So its very interesting…
They fixed it after that video. But maybe fixed only partially.
Yes it was meant to be fixed.
Remember that PM I sent you regarding those homing missiles that would never hit? Well that exploit was actually more severe than we thought because it also affects turrets and aliens as I found out later. But they fixed the homing ones a few days later in a patch (but that didn’t fix it, not sure what they did fix perhaps they fixed another exploit I didn’t know about). And you couldn’t reproduce it on top of it (was my fault).
You could also see this in the big PKA vs SWP fight. I saw several cases where homing missiles were still bugging out. I may even have a screenshot of it somewhere (not accusing SWP).
And because the police gave explicit permission to use this (too hard to enforce) I was 100% sure that you guys + the devs knew about this. See: Is this ship allowed?
Perhaps miscommunication. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.
Yes there have been several threads about it on this forum as well. I believe I even PM-ed about it a while ago (not 100% sure).
And I’m not 100% sure if the turrets are also still bugged out by it or if they are fixed now. Didn’t see a patch note though that said they fixed it so I assume the worst.
And that ship in that topic, that blueprint (docked on our christmas tree 
) should in theory also cause that same bug.
Yep. And I didnt see any result of dat fix. MSL-H still flying around, if blue ball outside the ship. The same moment with AI-turrets on CV… WetWak “construction” still working, and turrets still didnt see such Ships…
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Well, here we have the confirmation regarding turrets, turrets also still bug out according to SWP and it seems that the fix didn’t fix it. And because (like Achilles already said) this is really hard to enforce it+ this exploit will occur naturally for the really big ships (happened in the fight vs SWP) it’s very very hard to make a rule against it without limiting ships to like 1500 blocks max… The devs must fix this and I was hoping it would be in 5.0 and now I hear they didn’t even know about it…
But again perhaps it was just bad communication. Fault might also be on my and SWP’s side.
Dat thread: Request ship inspection - #21 by Mordgier
Still the same. And Im not sure if it fixed in 5.0. Talk to them (there was video with tests vs dat ship)
Ah I almost forgot about that ship:
That is basically the stealth version of that tactic. You fill up the center with random garbage blocks, move the core, then the enemy turrets/missiles blow up the center (which you want them to do) and then their turrets+missiles stop working. This gives you a massive advantage in terms of firepower and makes it nearly impossible to take down really large ships (takes hours).
And this tactic was already widely used before I even posted that, and later it got allowed and that’s the point where I spawned 2 of such ships myself.
And a quote from someone in one of those topics somewhere (I forgot where it was):
I rather have my turrets fire at random blocks than this crap. Even that would be better than the mechanics we have now.
Alpha 5.0? Huh. They do nothing new. HV drill 
(do you watch video - how does it works ? devs hands still not straight) uhahah) Where is the CV structural damage ? Where is the real new feature? Only stupid offline game improvements like a character customization and new bodies (we are not playing in the SIMs), fixed old (“new” again) bugs and finally - handsome candy wrapper but shit inside. Need take a half year break again
Watch this:
Bug Fixes:
- Fixed: Problem with inaccurate weapon range. Now all weapons will fire exactly as far as indicated in “Effective Range”
- Fixed: Splash damage is traveling through blocks + Fix for explosion damage going into adjacent diagonal blocks
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I mean structural damage like at bases, when the pieces fall off. And these bugfixes are likely again to single player. Damage through 3-5 layers still be here. Just start creative mode and fly into ship with godmode command… You will sell how the armor blocks counting by the game ) And i don’t belive that the devs make new calculations for the block. In pre alpha every block calculation as separate part.
And where the CV collision model? Internal one-dead-shoot still be here.
Omg I forgot about that one… Well… RIP PVP in 5.0. I at least hope that the lag-shots are truly fixed because otherwise with the 20k block limit combined with all other problems + perhaps the new drill lag it’s gonna be the same nightmare we had in 4.x, if not worse.
And depending on the rules the new drills will lag out the server. I really hope Rex will check it out and verify that this is not the case, and if it is, add a limit to it:
But no idea how he can test that for so many players he needs a lot of testers. But looking at 7 days to die and space engineers I can conclude that this WILL be the most performance draining element in the game. But even if not, who needs autominers when you can afk-drill an entire desposit in a few minutes, so broken without limits.
If turret targeting remains the way it is I don’t see the point of turrets anymore. It would be interesting if the number of front fire weapons on CV’s could be increased for a tradeoff on number of turrets.
Otherwise CV fights are going to be very long.
Fingers crossed they do something about turret targeting.
The path of development of the game reminds me of the SE (for a year and a half the game is just died - and all because it developers made new models and textures and did not improve the engine and total optimization - now it is unplayable).
Well they implemented some features that we really needed: faction alliances, no more lag shots (if it works), drills on HV’s (wanted them on SV/CV but okay better than nothing). And they also seem to implement a lot of things that the HWS server already implemented or at least they seem to look at it quite a lot, which is good.
The bad: Sometimes I wonder if the devs even play their own game. Some of the things they do sometimes… Takes me less than 10 seconds to find the exploit/imbalance. Or perhaps they know but they don’t care because “early access”. But either way sometimes I want to facepalm into the keyboard when I see patches.
I find 5.0 a big step in the right direction, but it’s not what I was hoping for and so far it is letting me down about as much as I expected it would. But overall I rather have 5.0 than 4.0, just wanted it to be a bit better.
Many players don’t play multiplayer.
Of the ones that do, very few PvP.
The broken turret mechanics are a huge problem for us because we have factions actually pvping against each other but how many others servers have that? This is a very niche problem. A huge and game breaking problem, yes, but very niche.
I really hope they fix it or that fixed weapon limits on CVs are increased.
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I was waiting for let not a revolution but at least some fresh air. The game needs more consistency, more different functional modules. And all these textures and models to draw the armistice. Made strong and stable core of the game and then paint.
Plus: Faction alliances (but it is minus too - we have only groups of bulls now it is be the herd)
Weapons range fix!
Fixed splash damage (if it work in mp)
Hangar doors 5x7 !!!
And it all for me.
I skyped + sceen shared with the devs and showed it to them. Fix is coming soon.
We discussed about target prioritization. Turrets were an idea but since you can sneaky build them and while moving it would be silly to hit we set it to the core for now.
Other suggestions?
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There is a great deal of discussion about turret targeting in this thread: http://empyriononline.com/threads/cv-combat-test-with-surprise-ending-possibility-to-make-stealth-ship-npc-aiming-priorities.7584/
Highlights are:
-Turrets targeting the device on the defending ship that is closest to the attacking ship
-Missiles tracking engines rather than center of ship
A dirty solution that might be easier to implement would be turrets targeting a random block on the ship. Not ideal but would be a far sight better than what we have now. Targeting core would also be a passable solution.
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Be able to “program” turrets prioritytargets, like Core, turrets, engines and so on in specific priority the player choose?
- Core targeting doesn’t work (open for abuse). At least it’s better than center targeting. At least the turrets and missiles will always work and you can’t cheese aliens anymore with ‘godmode’… Oh wait you can…
- Center targeting doesn’t work (open for exploit).
- Turret targeting won’t work (also open for abuse as you already mentioned).
- Random block targeting is meh. Fights would rely too much on RNG.
- Component targeting I assume drains too much server performance?
- Active cockpit targeting? Nope also open for abuse (respawn in another using many medbays/cockpits) but less open to abuse than most options.
- Engine targeting also open for abuse.
- Targetting the closest device is also open for abuse (same problem as turret targeting basically only worse) in 1vs1 fights. Perhaps in large scale battle that this would work.
So what’s left…
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Be able to “program” turrets prioritytargets, like Core, turrets, engines and so on in specific priority the player choose?
[/quote]This would be ideal but, probably not doable at such a short notice. Takes a lot of time to implement. But yes if I could program or assign priorities to my own turrets… That would be ideal.
My conclusion: I have no short-term quick-fix solution 