HWS Police - General Discussion

He will receive damage, but it takes time for the game to update.

As i previously said i;'ve had it multiple times where i’ve had an intact ship suddenly losing about half its blocks in one big chunk.

I’ve also had the same issue as you where an enemy SV gets hammered but it takes no damage. Or at least it looks like that on the surface, but if we were to wait and get closer the engine would finally render the damage.

Best regards
Wise.

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Maybe enough already to use cheats and justify the fact that this is a bug program. Yes, it is a bug of the program, which is deliberately used to gain an advantage. You keep the rest of the fools, talking about the accident and the bug server lag Very often these accidents occur in certain players, when they get into the situation of the broken. I have no respect for the crooks.

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How long exactly was the damage delay in your story ? Where the video ? This is the most important thing, you do not specify the time, 10-15 seconds, half an hour, how much was the delay ? There on the left is a ship that fell after 2-3 seconds of attack guns base and me, and the ship BRO flies without damage ten times longer. Aren’t you ashamed to protect the crooks ?

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He’s not a crook whatsoever. And calling one so without proper proof (your video shows nothing unusual) is offensive.

I have both had this same issue for about two minutes after taking some damage my whole ship went from ‘intact’ to losing the front half.

The most extreme example was when i was once flying back to base, and i had the damage render then, suddenly i didnt have a cockpit and fell down to the ground!!!

I remember A.F.T flying at our base and for a good four minutes we hammered one of his ships and no damage was showing, but that wasn’t him cheating; it was simply that there was so much going on that the game model takes time to update so to both us AND A.F.T his ship was intact, and then suddenly it renders and he has lots of damage.

This is less common these days, but it used to be especially problematic when attacking/cutting towers. We would shoot a block over and over and it wouldn’t disappear, then suddenly a minute later about a 30 block hole would appear from where we had fired. So this happens in all parts of combat. It’s just an empyrion PVP side effect. No Funny business.

And finally think of the motive; why would he cheats when A: He has plenty of resources
B: He has numerical superiority.
C: He’s not really doing anything during that phase other than tanking a little bit of damage
D: We as an alliance still had/have about 30 spare SVs ready to go; so why does he need to ‘cheat’ to maintain that current one when he could just fetch another?

There’s no shame in admitting that you were wrong to accuse him; which i strongly believe you are, and in the future if you have suspicions you should wait until you have multiple occurances of something similar.

In this game there are MANY anomalies, this damage rendering just being one of them. Take it from me; i’ve been playing since 4.0, and this is nothing new.

Best regards
Wise.

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Yes the AAA ships are not built like BRO ships. Without giving anything away we each design our ships to our own specs. For instance GMC and BRO build base attack ships; so they are typically tanky and have nothing important near the front/middle so they can last for the maximum amount of time against a base.

To me it sounds like the AAA ship got lagshotted, which is still an unfortunately common occurence (despite the devs claiming to have ‘fixed’ it).

Best regards
Wise.

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You ignored the reason I indicated in the request, did not answer the question about the length of the delay and started to take the dialogue aside. You’re a liar and a protector of crooks.

There’s no shame in admitting that you were wrong to accuse him; which i strongly believe you are, and in the future if you have suspicions you should wait until you have multiple occurances of something similar.

The video clearly shows that the ship does not take damage and nothing happens to it from the explosions as with the police ships. That’s a fact you ignore too to protect your crooks.

This damage cuts off half of the ship and the ship is thrown from the explosions, none of this happens, enough to protect the crooks. It looks cheap and nasty.

You have no proof, only words you lie to.I provided the evidence you ignore to protect the crooks.

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Any example of proper design is indistinguishable from cheating.
i guess.

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So now you’re accusing me of lying? How dare you. Here i am telling you how this game works and instead you simply insult me. That’s all you can do, as one some level you know i’m right.

Above is proof that I answered your points and now you’re just shamelessly attacking me. Either you do not understand my posts (which i can understand as they’re long and wordy, if English is not your mother-tongue it may be worth translating my posts for maximum understanding. This is not me being rude; but English is a weird and akward language and sometimes translating it to ones mother-language helps).

The problem with this point is that in your video you don’t really get close enough to see what was going on. AND even if NOTHING was going on and his blocks weren’t despawning there’s no proof that that is a bug, instead it is merely a baseless accusation as this issue has been rampant in Empyrion for a long time; especially in the last few seasons.

You’re also too far away on your video which is an issue and the time between SirKnum taking damage and not is only about

  • Let’s talk about the Video:

1:45-2:20 SirKnum takes damage; this is only 45 seconds and most of our ships can hold up for roughly two minutes against multiple bases in optimum conditions.
4:23: Sirknum takes a single volley from your ship but quickly flies off (probably in time to avoid the insanely slow Dumbfires, this was one of the issue with slowing down dumbfires to such an extent; they no longer do much to slow-moving targets)
4:30 He tanks the base again for roughly 15 seconds until 4:45.

So total time tanking: 1Minute. Any well-built ship can withstand that time, and although your volley on him whilst on the ground was on target, the dumbfires probably did not hit. If they did he would have a big hole in the top of his ship.

Also his ship wasn’t there all the time, maybe he got a new one; not sure. Though we’ll only know the truth When SirKnum comes on and replies to your report.

Insult me all you want; i’m not gonna lose my cool and won’t be going anywhere. Here I am spending time and effort helping you understand how this game works to enrich your experience and understanding regarding Empyrion. Insult me all you want, i’m not going anywhere.

Best regards
Wise

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All you can do is lie hypocritically and pretend to be a victim in defense of the crooks ’ friends.
You’re not answering my questions, you’re masking them with your own, this is manipulation.
Your demagoguery offends me. You can keep protecting the crooks, I’ll practice my English.

You’re very funny when you answer a request for proof that it offends you.

“1:45-2:20 SirKnum takes damage; this is only 45 seconds and most of our ships can hold up for roughly two minutes against multiple bases in optimum conditions.”

With cheats - YES and longer

This bug you have been operating for a long time and turn off the network speed limiter when the police appear.

Your ships have 45 layers of armor ? to live 45 seconds, maybe 120 layers of armor your ships ? to live 2 minutes under fire from two bases.

At least 22 layers of armor and 60, respectively, can you show on the ships ?

system programs allow you to reduce the damage received, in му video, the obvious criminal use of the game bug

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Are you trolling? If so then I admit you’ve had me going for a while now!

Ok so let’s adress this:

I’m not lying whatsoever. I’m telling the truth. This whole damage rendering thing has been an issue for a LOOONG time. And has been especially bad recently.

I’m not a victim of anything. I can’t blame anyone for the bug and it’s nobodies fault.

SirKnum isn’t even in my faction (though he is a member of my alliance) but if a Russian player was here accused of cheating that i knew also didnt cheat then i would come out in their defence also. As any knowledgeable Empyrion player has a duty to do so!

That whole Quote-Counter-Quote post above your most recent post is my replies to your questions my friend!

Nope, these are boms; pure logic bombs being dropped from orbit and burning bright.

Best regards
Wise.

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You haven’t offended me sir. But calling me a liar is offensive. It would be like me calling you names. I would never do that as it adds nothiing to the debate.

But when discussing ‘nothing to the debate’ i think it’s safe to say that we have both exhausted all our points.

All both of us can do is wait for SirKnum’s reply and the police’s verdict.

Despite the fact that this has all gotten a little bit heated (on one side) i wish you well and all the best and have a good day Sir!

Best regards to you,
Wise. :slight_smile:

Wiseman-out

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You should be ashamed to protect the crooks.

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Here is a video But BE WARNED this will be the last time i reply to your edits, as you edit quite frequently and makes it difficult to reply to each new point. All new points you have should be made in a new post if possible.

Here is the video (it is of Season 6/7 i believe when things were pretty much similar with how it is today. Take a look at 5:30 where the MAUS (it had something like 5k-6k of blocks) lasts approx 5 MINUTES against 5 BASES. SVs are the same, so a well made 3K block SV can roughly last 3 minutes against 3 bases, therefore about 4.5 minutes against 2 bases and about six minutes against 1 base if you angle it to use all possible sides.)

Enjoy the video by the way, but be warned there’s lots of loud music!

Best regards to ya mate!
Wise :slight_smile:

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Your constant requests to believe you say you want to mislead other people. When the game has a lot of players and actions, it does not calculate the damage, I know that you are using it. For my case, it is not suitable, because there were few players. It’s time to stop protecting the crooks. I do not change my messages, but I add and clarify. You are intentionally running a bug, that is your crime. When you get caught red-handed, appealing to the glitches in the game and randomness, but the randomness only you why

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I’m not cheating whatsoever. And the fact that you went from accusing one player with rubbish evidence to accusing a second player with NO evidence shows me that i’m wasting my time taking this conversation any further.

Have fun watching the video; that’s what Empyrion combat is like; if you don’t like it then maybe Empyrion PVP is not for you.

Best regards, I’m done.
Wise.

WisObama out!

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What is interesting - tljball’s vid provides proof of his cheat clipping tower design. Easy to see his arty placement will clip through blocks.

Sadly, this is not being enforced as more designs are appearing in game with rule violating turret placement.

Hope this is resolved sometime in season 8, or just remove the rule altogether to level the playing field.

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Can you please post the video again instead of deleting it?

I can only piece together from these posts what is going on here. It sounds like you are referring to the time when I tanked your bases to protect Aeonbug. If that is the case and it appears on your side as if I’m not taking damage I’d recommend fixing your connection so you receive the game updates about damge done because my ships (<- plural) got absolutely hammered each time I did that.

Also funny that you are the guys that come from the Netlimiter Federation insist we are using it even though you are the ones that lag between salvos like crazy and if you need to run everything is smooth again. Like when you started slinging accusations while I was chasing you where you lagged all over the place but the second our CV appeared your lags disappeared and you just ran smoothly back to GG. What a lucky coincidence!

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Here’s the vid for ya mate:

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@TIaBaJI

While I see nothing suspicious in that video im not going to defend Numskull. Wiseman however, is putting a lot of time/effort into responding to you. More time than many others would give you! You are treating him with disdain in response. Maybe you should carry yourself with a little more dignity and give a little more thought to peoples responses? I think maybe you have thought/spoken of these cheat accusations so frequently that you have convinced yourself ‘everyone is cheating’. They are not and you are wrong.

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“What is interesting - tljball’s vid provides proof of his cheat clipping tower design. Easy to see his arty placement will clip through blocks.”-
I don’t know what you’re talking about, show me a picture. All my turrets are arranged according to the rules

"I’m not cheating whatsoever. And the fact that you went from accusing one player with rubbish evidence to accusing a second player with NO evidence shows me that i’m wasting my time taking this conversation any further.

Have fun watching the video; that’s what Empyrion combat is like; if you don’t like it then maybe Empyrion PVP is not for you."

Cheaters don’t admit, maybe you shouldn’t go into pvp if without cheats you can’t play ?

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