That AG zone is same pain as it always was. We can use drone and then push it even deeper with key quite deep inside AG, I somehow dont like this AG zone.
What i dont like the most is when enemy structure is pushed into AG zone so you are basicly fucked up.
And i really dont enjoy that cleaning with explosives after battles, its tedious even more than repairing.
On other side, somehow we already adapted a bit to AG zone, it adds some feel of territory control. But without “dirty” tricks its much more pain than fun.
If enemy would be really not able to build in AG zone it might be fun with some adjustments.
So ends that tiny broken rest of PvP in Empyrion. It was a pleasure.
I spent today 3 hours by blowing up terrain in antigrief zone in effort to get to core of ruined base which was covering our base on GG by AG. I didnt find core as playfield crashed and i left.
So now somebody will place base. Ill go to 300m, push my base deep in his AG, push it underground and walk away. He will be basicly griefed by my AG. What an irony.
So far it was at least possible to destroy enemy base and then spend time with explosives to get rid of AG, thats not possible anymore.
(if theres someone who still dont know about it which i doubt its not that hard to build in enemy’s AG)
For those who dont understand in what PvP turned into. Minute ago I saw on chat that AG will be 500m…Have fun.
I reproduced the Explosive exploit and it got fixed.
I reproduced other exploits shown and they will get fixed.
In the end it is always the same people trying their best to exploit for personal advantage. It’s like war between white hacker and dark hacker.
To ping a general observation from me here:
Some month ago people cried about
“BAses are crap and totally not safe. It’s killed with one SV with one hand while I drink my coke”
Now people cry about
“Meh, I can’t destroy a base on PvP anymore, my Coke is empty”
It’s a bit silly guys. Both statements are legit but just deal with it. A good (exploitfree) built base should not be taken out by few guys accidently crossing by. And a poor built base can’t live forever.
Anti Grief is in its nature what it is ANTI GRIEF. A mechanic YOU are trying hard as f* to circumvent and in the end GRIEF people what is against our rules and keeping the ban hammer swinging.
The technical issue of AG is at the moment that you can push your core below ground with page down and then have a safe bunker.
The AG device idea mention at the top is a cool one, even though technically very hard to implement.
So behind the scene there is something totally new coming for PvP I am not allowed to talk to and I don’t know exactly when it is coming, but it is. That will replace AG kind of. We will see.
For now we have to run after exploits and try to fix them because NO ONE wants to get griefed, right!?
Sorry usually dont do it in open, but this is so normal that i was feeling like its really not a problem as its new meta with armor piercing miniguns.
You are right with ppl mont ago cried bases are crap, they was right they was crap.
They are pretty much same crap now with one difference, you can take them out but you cant ever build near them unless you use explosives.
Both situations are cryable I would say, imagine someone just go and AG ZOne your bunker, and sorround you with BAs, you cant do much Here im not complaining, acusing anyone, i like these hard situations to some degree, once. If its all the time its anoying as its time consuming.
If you would ask what im doing 24/7 in EMpyrion i would answer, well currently most of that time strugling with AG Zone and its not fun anymore, imagine placing explosives for 3 hours, going to base and back fo rmore with no success.
Glad something else is cooking, hope it will be better. I just hope that we will know soon, so we can exploit it properly so it can be polished.
They made raiding bases a worthless venture at this point, AG should have never included indestructible terrain in the first place, just another dumbass “feature” to break the gameplay or cause us to use explosives for the next 5 hours. Might as well change all the base limits to 1 allowed size class 1 on all PvP planets…
Thanks eleon for slowly ruining it…
Anti grief should have its limitations, such as spawning CVs or a base right next to an enemy base is bullshit. However it should not be so restricted to terrain, if you want to keep the terrain when OP is active that’s fine, but if OP is not in effect the terrain should be able to be drilled / destroyed. Nothing right now would stop me from using a shovel in my neighbors yard , why should it be any different in game? Instead we have situations where now we have up to 10 indestructible bases that you cannot core, walking bases that cost too much, kinda ruins the gameplay aspect of PvP.
This is bad REALLY bad. Bases can no longer be cored or destroyed. When i noticed the change i thought it was a mistake because it makes no sense. Bases have been fine for a long time the problem was HWS withought OP but this is fixed.
You guys mix up some things here.
You have to differentiate in your complains between AG and bug abusing.
Example “indestructible bases”. That is only the case because you can push bases with page down under the terrain (what is silly) or use the filler tool afterwards to close your tunnel behind you.
I admit that underground bases have this kind of state then. But that is not really bad for PvP. It just means that the base owner must do more steps to reach that base (since he can’t use container via registry for example).
The “problem” for others is just that 300+ meter terrain is claimed by “someone”.
Second example: the “needle spawn” crap. Spawning things inside AG. That is a bug which will be addressed soon.
Not really true, especially in america where you have the gun law and property invader law (legit to shoot people which are not allowed there). And if you look at the PvP reality you don’t use a shovel in Empyrion, but hundreds of bombs to trigger structural integrity or whatever, u-n-t-i-l this guy is dead.
so TL;DR: Anti Grief is at the moment exactly that: it prevents other people from griefing YOU.
But to give reasons to pewpew is the next step. Wait for it.
It’s almost the better option to disable the anti grief for the moment until the devs can hash this out. There are not very many of us that have evil intentions (like zazzle for instance) that would Abuse the loss of anti grief, and if so may the punishment be swift and severe. But part of the survival experience is conquering your enemies. Can’t do that if you can’t take the fight to their home turf. And If not then maybe perhaps a name change is in order.
Empyrion: Galactic Housing Association. LLC
Has a nice ring to it. It’s like playing the Sims, with guns…
I dotn like we dont know whats cooked in oven. As we are the ones who spends hours in PvP.
We have different opinions on things which is ok, also weimediatly comes out with ideas how everything can be abused.
Im kind of sad that digging ended, i loved and hated Thranir on bedrock level, but it belonged to the game, I would reather seee seismic weapon, or mole drone or something.
We lost drone to AG zone, mechanic which was so much unique for empyrion, what else we will loose? It was so much fun to send drone with eexplosives into hole, meet enemy’s drone.
It was so much fun turn SV upside down and watch battle of on foot soldiers, telling them where to go, watching them killing each other with plasma.
Where is all this fun? I know im negative in general lately…but this is why, i miss all that nice things we loved and hated at same time.
Just a quick thought, i still like mcprotys idea. In Anarchy, old MMO, there were those territory control towers, we used AG zone briefly as that, it was pain with explosives but on background there was really good mechanic born.
Part about digging could be solved by AD Zone, antidigging zone, but still i should be able to summon drone, place guns on my SV etc.
Rest, unability to spawn bases could be solved by AG ZOne…Territory control device. I dont know, sometimes quite nice ideas appears but somehow theres less and less while more and more NPC Crew…
We wanted something to protect our crappy weak bases thats all and now theres this…its last time I wanted anything in Empyrion as I always get something completly different.
Here im not complaining, acusing anyone, i like these hard situations to some degree, once. If its all the time its anoying as its time consuming.
with no success.