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[Jeeves]

@Elfias

I joined PvP server

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[Paxxo1985]

Sorry but wiping partially ocd will only increase pvp. I came from a server where there was no ocd and every season start was total war and every pvp playfield was popolated by players actively fighting for resources. Who actively play wont be hurted by partial cut of ocd. If you dont play from something like 3 seasons you should not have a fat ocd. Active players support the servers not the ghosts.

[Jeeves]

how many players on that server?

[Paxxo1985]

Was official Eleon Eu server. 30 players max all the season long. Now is dead because is 6 months that is not wiped, full of class 5 planets and the requests for admin help are processed in something like 2/3 weeks. The only active planet this season was pandora moon… a class 1 planet where you fight for erestrum.
Its obvious that you dont want to cut your ocd, i am not happy either to lose stuff is just to balance the server and sometimes hurts.
Is like taxes, you dont want it but you need to pay it.
Btw is only my opinion, chill out.

[Wiseman738]

@Paxxo1985 @Elfias and everyone else, i’ve mentioned about what to do with OCD as a suggestion here:

@Wiseman738

yes. What i’m saying is this: The OAM in its own context is perfectly balanced; irrespective of other features. In the context of the WHOLE HWS package i could make a whole analytical post about easy ways to make money/rp.

If you start nerfing one feature as a result of others then you end up stuck in this reactionairy cycle forever ‘balancing.’ until the established uses of certain elements cease to exist.

A good example of this is the Battlefield 3 Game. In which at the beginning a laser guided missile would (rightly) disable a tank by doing 50 damage. By the end it did 20damage (out of 100) to a tank, less than half of that damage needed to ‘disable’ it. (This is a good example of what i call ‘balance creep’, where a well-meant but ultimately flawed balancing campaign leads to a creeping nerf of all features.)

There will always be that (very small) community of min-maxers such as SirKnum who will somehow power through everything/anything and use all features going. That’s normal, you will always have that kind of ‘elite.’ But the vast majority don’t have the time or even the inclination to ‘pull out all the stops’ and access all of the HWS features. So what i’m trying to say here (but not very well) is that by nerfing a feature such as OAM you’ll be punishing those who are just the average player.

What makes HWS unique is its MMO-like nature. Where you have those ‘god-like’ characters who carry over and then you have everyone else. The beauty of HWS is that there’s no pay to play involved, a new player could become a god character if they played enough and worked hard enough. That’s the awesomeness of it. No bad thing in HWS becoming more welcoming and accessible for all players thank to some smart featues! If anything Rex i’d appeal to those elites through the same way you did with the Bunkers. That was a perfect example of a successful admin-led money sink.

So something like that would be cool. Say you wanted to ‘balance’ OAMs. Instead of nerfing them add more levels! And then just bring them in line with whatever values you want. Or… DrumRoll …

Some balancing ideas of mine:

• Have a ‘prestige’ system for OAMs, in which you can ‘reset’ your OAM levels and fuel in order for a slightly greater ore gather rate or ore storage rate. (Maybe a choice between both, something to do via HWS Connect?)
• Make AM cores EVEN rarer (this would naturally result in a drive up of the price, though if you’re going to wipe them from OCD make sure to compensate them hahah [i have 3500 OAM cores, i’m not a hoarder!]
• By careful balancing of NPC Trader packages would make OAM’s more useful and therefore the cores more fought over and henceforth rarer. Especially in the context of the deconstruction of some of those packages.

Best regards, soz for the initially hostile tone, my first post was rather reactionairy. Hopefully this one comes across as a less mean spirited.
Wise.

Tell me what you think, an optional wipe which is entirely a player choice, and in return the player gains capacity. Like ‘prestige mode.’ from Call of duty games!

[Wiseman738]

Wrong post, that one is OAM. Here is my OCD one:

@Wiseman738

Ok. Time to dive in. I’ve sort of only scanned this thread so forgive me if i make any big presumptions please.

This post will focus on three things.
Deconstructor.
NPC traders.
PVP.
Money Sinks.

1. Deconstructor. In my opinion 100% return rate is a little bit high. I’d down it to anything between 50-80%. Or maybe have some sort of scalable upgradeable system, like a deconstructor return rate. But i could be dreaming. I won’t lie that i have processed a crap-ton of power coils. And i’ve managed to get an enormous amount of erestrum and zascosium out of them. But this is only a secondary issue for me.
2. NPC traders are very powerful in their current form, and in the long run there may be a solid argument for changing how their costs are calculated. First thing i would do, is have a formula to work out a minimum cost; then after that let the player of the NPC trader decide how much their package should cost. As right now they don’t get to choose. This way you may have people be a little bit more sensible with their pricing.

BUT

It’s important to remember that compared to the old NPC traders, these new ones are pretty tame. The only super duper crazy one is the power coils. 25K power coils for 25 RP and less than a million credits. That’s one hell of a purchase. But in the old days you could literally buy like 25k of large constructors per trade haha. So these days they are considerably more balanced. But there is room for extra work on them.

3. PVP. Despite this season having lots of PVE playfields with easily obtainable rare resources there has still been significant PVP, which has also been event based but mostly emergent like the good ole’ days.

For PVP i think SV combat is pretty awesome, and bases feel meaty. My only problem is with CV combat, class 7 cvs everywhere. Would be nice if a couple of playfields had lower CV class size, for some quicker and less forgiving battles like the good ole’ days where core targeting was a thing. (Because let’s be honest, Eleon removed core targeting so they could say that they had ‘fixed’ the lag-shot problem, and we all know how false that is…).

Maybe next season a significant reduction of the amount of rare and semi rare mats in PVE, to encourage more PVP crossover, but there should still be some positions in PVE with rare and semi rare mats that get regularly farmed.

Ok onto the big one, this bit is going to be long so prepare yourselves! MONEY SINKS:

• One thing i’ll agree with Fasgort on is that 2.5mil a day is nice, but i don’t think it should be nerfed, not at all. From my prior experience as a member of HWS i’ve witnessed an 85% nerfed Orbital Auto Miner. A 90% nerfed OCD (500k to 50k) about a 60% nerfed NPC trader (14k cons per trade to 300, but other ones are still almighty, e.g power coils.) And about a 95% nerf in interest rates (2.5mil daily down from 50mil.)

So we need to be VERY careful about nerf suggestions…as some vets (not me) are still feeling the punch from prior changes, it’s easy to suggest a nerf as quick fix measure, but all it really does is hurt the newer players who aren’t quite as intensive as you in their playstyle @Fasgort.

Instead we should have more money sincs: For instance, look at how much money was spent on bunkers between EU and NA…Over 1 billion credits in total. That would take over 400 days of interest to pay that money back…So don’t under-estimate the power of the money sink.

I would propose several ‘high tier’ options for wealthy players with no progression left (Such as those with OCD7 and Bank 5; something to keep them going.)
I would propose basically a ‘prestige’ style-system.

Orbital AutoMiner
For my prestige system here, you could prestige either an individual miner or the entire thing, and as a result all of its levels and fuel would reset back to 1. However upon buying it all back up to 10 you would have say a 10% extra resource income, and a 10% higher stacking rate. And upon each ‘prestige’ it could cost progressively more.

• Prestige 1 5 Million 10RP. (This doesn’t include the cost for purchasing each AM level upto 10.)
• Prestige 2 7.5 Million 20RP.
• Prestige 3 11 Million 35RP.
• Prestige 4 15 Million 60RP.
• Prestige 5 25 Million , 100RP. (This would be a 50% upgrade on the curret OAM. The price is not prohibitive for now, maybe an increase in RP or Credit requirement would be greater, but you guys get the idea.

OCD

I propose a similar system for OCD, but at much greater cost, and only rising in 5% increments. But instead of requiring an OCD reset (which would be extreme), it would cost 10% of the OCD level cost per 5% increase in slot capacity (not an increase in slots).

E.g OCD 5 would cost 500K for a 5% increase.
Whereas OCD7 would cost 70mil for a 5% increase…here there is a problem, as it stays considerably cheaper for the level 5, at some point they could compete with a ‘stock’ ‘vanilla’ OCD lvl 7. So some further thought shall be required for this.

Skill Tree
I know this is a while away yet. But i have a previous skill tree proposal which i’m going to shamelessly advertise here: Skill-Tree suggestion for 9.0

With my suggestion in mind, it could be used to help reduce the cost of ‘prestige-ing’ the OCD and Orbital Autominers.

TL:DR I believe in adding more features for people to spend money for, instead of simply taking away from the current features.

Finally, the argument could be made that my proposal widens the gap between the top and the bottom, and that would be a fair statement, but as you see currently. For a guy to ‘prestige’ his LVL 7 OCD by 50% would require 700 million. Whilst for a lvl 5 OCD merely costs 2.5Mil (this needs fixing and consideration, i’ll leave it to you guys to come up with ideas.)

Best regards
Wise

PS: I hope this post is intelligible, i wrote it shortly after waking up.

[Paxxo1985]

we need to cut not increase, always in my opinion.
going from 70k to 80k ocd wont solve the problem.
Ocd tax of 20-30% at the end of the season will fix the problem.

[Elfias]

HWS wasn’t PvE server with crumbs of PvP when I joined, that’s what I meant.

Man, belive me I get you, you came home from work, you want to relax, do some stuff around base, maybe POI or do a bit of mining, maybe a mission, you are not interested in someone who will come and destroy all your work, I understand that. I just think you missing best part of game and reason why you do all that crap collecting, putting it in OCD. On what are you PvE guys going to spend it I don’t know. But I respect it, you have all the right to play your way.

RIP PvP

[Elfias]

you know theres one problem, there are PvE players who time to time want to go to PvP and try it.

They jump to Homeworld and they get ganked by 6 hungry PvP players starving for combat. They leave and never come back to PvP again.

Maybe we need some way, something like arena, where whoever wants to try it can do that. Players can fight players with same experience, so its equal.

Its like this. PvE player goes to planet. About 1 minute later we know hes there (no. of cores per playfield, Im sure you have this same…guys guys 2 more cores on [planet]). 4 minutes later we walk over his dead body.

0/10 will try PvP again.

[Paxxo1985]

My first pvp experience was like a rape. I went in pvp with my big class cv tier1. I got wrecked by a sv in something like 15 seconds. I was shocked. But is all about mentality. There is someone that will quit and someone like me who wants to improve. Now i am here.

[Wiseman738]

An ocd tax wont help. Screwing with the OCD at all will mess with too many people, and risk server integrity. Instead i think my suggestion at least offers further progression for those with maxxed out stuff

[Elfias]

I had the same experience, joined server as Pirate, met Sanchous, greeted him, hi comrade pirate and my flying cocpit exploded few seconds later. 14 days after it I was fighting SWP and had great fun when they start dieing after 4 hours of battle.
Might be too harsh for some, or they don’t want it that intensive.

I think that whats most important is to see secondary explosions of ship in crosshair, that’s at least reason why I play. Secondary explosions, chain reaction boom.
Actualy secondaries in my ship drags me away from PvP, secondaries in enemy ship brings me back to PvP.

[Paxxo1985]

I appreciated the GMC sell of their first Maruders, that bringed new people to pvp… maybe we the pvp players need to sell cheap pvp cv miners so people will start to search fortune there

[Jeeves]

lambs for the slaughter

[Paxxo1985]

I said pvp miners, not pve. Maruders were quite good pvp SVs

[Wiseman738]

Cheers @Paxxo1985 ! That was the plan, get more newbies into PVP with a half decent ship that’ll at least hold out better than a prefab, and us donating some of our own creations to wanna be PVPers is certainly a good thing

Best regards,
Wise.

[Jeeves]

just thinking about this.
its an interesting paradigm coming from you.
you want everyone to start out with no ocd, everyone equal.
but then you want to sell cv miners to noobs, but not your current attack cv.

you are already at the top of the kill board, what else do you need?
why not sell your current attack cv instead.
really make it a balanced playfield.
bonus points for adding fully stocked ammo supplies.

[Paxxo1985]

Sorry but i wont give away a 100+ hours design cv just because i need to give away free stuff.
When i started none give to me a pvp miner and instead of being lazy i went in creative mode and started to doing my first cv. I am a step further giving away a taste of pvp that wont die in one shot and can warp away from we the bad guys. Maybe instead of saying i want i want i want, why you wont say i try i try i try?
This will make you better.

[Jeeves]

this is entirely my point, > you dont really want a balanced playfield, you want to dominate.

and you know that by setting everyone back from ocd, only the blueprints matter.

[Paxxo1985]

The fun of pvp is killing your enemy to copy the blueprint.
This game is about building… i think you are taking this game in a wrong way.