SV Wonderland

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@RexXxuS @Jascha

I been thinking awhile about GG battles and CV battles and some battles we’ve had on Iceworld that were mostly SVs.

The battles that have been on Iceworld, Lava, ect. where there is only one small base and not many tanks have by far been the best. Little to no lag, great combat, ect.

I’d like to propose a new planet.

Planet: Solaris
Class Size: 2
Resources: a Rich planet with plentiful resources. Maybe put the crusts that were on homeworld back. If not that then lots and lots of really nice deposits. No gold.
Gravity: Light(think GG of last season)
Entry Method: Supergate inside Titan Orbit
Exit Method: Supergate inside Solaris Orbit that only leads to Titan Orbit and is on the opposite side of where the Supergate in Titan Orbit is.
Limits:
0 Private, Faction Bases
0 Private, Faction and Alliance CVs
0 Private HV(3k block limit), 5 Faction HVs(3k block limit) (Max 5 Faction, 10 Alliance HV on planet)
1 Private SV(3k block limit), 20 Faction SVs(3k block limit)

Wipe Schedule: Every server restart the planet surface wipes(help decrease lag)

Planet surface should be like Homeworld was last season in terms of biomes and hills and such. Some plains some mountains. In space you should be able to survive with only 1 EVA.

Ok so this is every SV pilots dream. You’ll mainly be fighting with other SVs and smaller tanks than reside on GG currently. There is no gold so GG is still the hotspot for PvP. I think the crust of homeworld of last season or really rich deposits will attract a lot of people.

Then comes the risk versus reward. You have to mine the resources, then get to the Supergate in space which should be like 15km from the planet. Then you have to make the 20km or so trek from Titan orbit entry point to the Titan Supergate and jump to safety. If you can make it through the dangerous trip you should come away with some decent resources.

This should provide the PvPers with great PvP thats relatively lag free and provide the PvE players who are willing to risk the biscuit a thrill of coming home with some much-needed resources. I think this could create some very interesting PvP.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Has merit. I think that this should be how Homeworld was setup or Arma, but without the crust.

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Hey @Dreadstar

I like the idea of only private SVs. Even though not that good for HVs since big factions just put them out as bases here and there (50 member faction = planet dominance).
Especially if the Supergate is inside Titan!?

With Stargate I assume you mean Supergate. There is a big difference.

Resource crust sounds also fine and the only reason I haven’t them implemented beside on the Homeworld Moon planets are the new planets + had no time for testing.

A planet can only have 15+1 shaders. Voxel Resources count as shader.
1-13 shader are already used for “gras”, “snow”, “desert” etc. etc. so we have mostly only ~3 shader left for resources. Otherwise we have this generic one.
Maybe you saw it already.
Shouldn’t be a showstopper just irritating.
Or I make the planet look boring, then we can have the 12 resource layers.

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@RexXxuS

Lets go with planet looking boring and having 11 layers (no gold). I put 1 private HV so that we wouldn’t have a ton of HVs down on planet. I don’t think we have a 50 man faction. Lets go ahead and put 5 faction and 10 alliance limit on HVs then. The HV really is just there for mining purposes for people without Raiders.

I mean supergate. Sorry.

So you have to warp to Titan Orbit to warp to Solaris Orbit. Once in Solaris Orbit, you have to fly 10km to Solaris a Class 2 planet. Once you decide to leave you have to fly out into space and 15-20km to the Supergate. This Supergate only allows you to jump to Titan Orbit. The exit point in Titan Orbit is on the opposite side of the current supergate. 20km or so away from it with Titan in the center. So now you have to go from the exit point in Titan Orbit from Solaris to the Titan supergate to leave.

The reason I wanted to do it that way is since you will add in the 11 layers of crust the possible rewards are high. Which means the risk should be high. So you have to go down and mine, potentially need protection SVs and then make the trek to the Solaris Supergate, then make the trek to the Titan Supergate.

I can see these paths being prime PvP spots. It gives the PvE players a high-risk high reward mining spot. It gives the PvPers especially the SV pilots who with the lag of bases and HVs are kind subpar this season a niche area to go to. It also I think will see factions guarding and escorting the miners or a “transport” SV.

I could see factions hiring ABN escort services or TPP escort services to escort them to and from the planet via the Supergates for a cut of the mining yeild.

edit - I changed the original post so it shows all Supergates and put limits on HVs for clarity.

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I hope this mspaint aid helps represent my idea.

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well maybe not 50 but 30+ — EU has a 38 member faction already.

faction or no faction?
10 Alliance HV got recently implemented by Jascha. So we can check for CVs and HVs too now.
Not tested with private ones though…

Overall I am always for high-risk high-reward patterns but two things bother me:

  1. while it is a “quick patch” to the current issues of Homeworld + Armageddon, what should happen in the next season where I improve these two. Or I have maybe to rethink Armageddon completely…

  2. Supergates are not that flexible yet… at the moment they only work via a simple “allow / deny” system.
    So allow means you can jump to that Supergate from ALL other Supergates but not from there to others. (Red Supergate)
    Deny means you can’t reach this Supergate but jump from there to others (Orange).
    So your current Solaris setup wouldn’t work 100% because you could reach this blue pentagon in your image from ALL Supergates at the moment… have to think with Jascha how to make it as good as Stargates (have a 1:1 warp relationship)

To create a similar Titan jump effect it would need a warp hybrid at the moment
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  1. HVs. I changed it to reflect 5 HVs per faction, 10 HV limit per Alliance. Meaning 2+ factions can’t have more than 10. If we see large collections of immobile HVs then we can make it 3 HV per faction, 6 HV limit per Alliance.

  2. Supergate allow/deny. That is too bad. Hopefully Jascha will have a solution like usual.

  3. Homeworld. I heard a really good idea about putting some infinite deposits on it, make the resource crust indestructible so no mining. Do like BA block limit of 250 or something. Just enough blocks for very small structure to set over a few Autominers. Let Homeworld be a fight for Autominer dominance. Maybe make this the HV pvp hotspot. 100 block CVs( 1 CV per faction that has 3+ members), no SVs, and 10 faction HVs, 25 Alliance limit. See little tank platoons racing across HW defending their autominer installations. Then a few tanks left at each location for some miner protection.

  4. Armageddon. Not really sure how to make it special. Maybe rename Solaris to be Armageddon? I really like Solaris though. Its from the Battletech universe. Its where Mech jokies go to fight in the arena and people wager on them. I see Solaris turning into this place where SV jokies go to prove their might.

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For me the system have already too many planets. I suggest to reduce the number or reduce the size class of all planets.

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You may as well call this new planet " Noob Farm" Are people not happy with not being able to farm solo miners on GG… need a new easy kill playground ? We all know a good portion will be there Just…just to farm noobs and collect those 2 stacks of precious Zas they have ( hello 2nd dream, king of killing solo miners - he’s the bravest of them all ! )

This is NOT the way to encourage new players by having them turn into cattle for the ‘joy’ of the elite few. Myself and my faction mate know all to well what this is like from gg last season. it is lowest, saddest form of pvp.

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While I’m not a hunter myself, I have to ask @thedevilfrog what’s the point of PvP area farming if there is no risk of getting killed by players…?

The whole point is to give miners high reward for high risk and PvPers a cattle to “farm”

Everyone is free to make their choice which one of they want to be. I’ve always chosen to be the defensive miner, fight only when attacked, but sure as hell gave them a beating when I was able to. If not… well then I got back on the saddle and fucked up the next guy who tried to attack or die trying!

That’s the fun of it, nobody forces you to mine with unarmed light armor hv with no base backup to hide behind. Won’t give you 100% chance to survive but it makes it way easier to fight attackers off or at least survive the attack in most cases.

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The new planet is billed as an SV playground, not a a planet to go to were those whining gg is now to big to farm miners.

Noob farming does not need to be part of that equation. Just give a planet with no assets or resources other than 1 private class 1 SV, and have weekly contests there on say a Friday night with a 10mil reward. I would most definitely go there - knowing i’m not gonna get ganked by 5 members of AAA at the same time…everyone on the same level ! imagine that :slight_smile:

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But what about me? :frowning: The miner who doesn’t want to attack others unless have to
There is no rewards for me in the planet then if no resources can be mined or found

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it’s an SV playground…! no miners needed

Multiple times on GG last season when i was new and in a small HV trying to get some gold off planet .( we did eventually end up spawning 3 bases), max you would ever get is 15 mins, no matter if it was 3am, 3pm…what ever…15 mins. See red ? Log. Get faction mate to come over were you were at an ungodly time, destroy the sentry HVs placed kill the forsaken miner when he relogged and scarper with your 200k worth of gold, yay.

Like someone else said, HWS really needs some introduction level pvp vehicles for new players…that would help at least.

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So your idea is to boot miners off the planet because you think it’s unfair for them?
I think booting them off & making sure they can’t benefit from the planet is a bit more unfair but that’s just me, lol

I’ll much prefer getting killed in planet I want to mine at, than being denied the mining all together for 100% no reward. At least allowing me to mine there gives me chance to gain profits. Also give PvPers more things to do than hunt each others for no reward…

I think resource rich planet is simply a win-win for everyone who knows how to reap the benefits. Miner or Hunter

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remove the mining all together…just make it an SV vs SV playround !

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This isnt a SV Only Arena and thats not what it billed as. Fallen gets it. Yes noobs will die. Noobs die on starter pvp. Noobs die in Blackhole asteroid field. Noobs die everywhere.

Noobs will either not risk it or turn into miners with teeth or friends like Fallen. Or even better pvpers.

It really reads as your bad experiences as a player and not learning and adapting are coloring your posts here.

To create a pvp hotspot you have to have a reason forward people to go there.

Another thing while I am here. You seem to think this server is billed for noobs. You want better ships. You dont think it should be hard to get Gold which has an actual purpose on this server. You want to be able to mine to your hearts content without seeing another red player.

No. That’s not what this server is about. Homeworld and Golden Globe are about risk vs reward. Homeworld is the name of the server. Its not like every other server where all the best stuff is in PvE.

Everyone here started exactly the same and we all worked hard to get better ships, get the good resources or die trying, and adapt and overcome. This server is ruthless for new players. Look at the starter worlds. The tax. The huge HWS Connect portion of the game. The planet and space effects that straight kill unprepared players. The config which changes the entire gameplay to be more PvP centric.

This isn’t your vanilla server for noobs. This is the most complex and most indepth server thats running. You either adapt and thrive or you die. Stop looking for easy hand outs be it risk free resources or ship designs. It’s never going to happen.

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Edit To Original Post - I added a wipe schedule. The entire crust would be like homeworld so to decrease lag and loadins each restart the planets surface resets. This will help performance by filling in all the dug out holes which cause lag.

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I disagree entirely.

I I saw a lil’ unarmed solo miner on GG, i would PROTECT the lil fella - not blow him up for kicks. I guess it is all down to individual mentality, which is sadly on the poor side here :confused:

Leave the lil soloers alone on gg for 30 mins and Guess what !!! You will soon have more people in PvP as they too can get EB3 and have some money coming in, and not worry so much about mining gold. More people in PvP = better for all. Quite simple.

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Poor side. Lol. You arent entitled to gold or eb3 or angthing. You arent entitled tothe best ore or the best POI. You arent entitled to HWS designed ships. The entitlement mentality is terrible. Come take it. Or learn to be a ninja.

Its on the individual player to figure it out. Its not on other players to make it easy.

Rexxxus says time and again this server is about risk vs reward.

P.S. and ive probably spawned more warp sleds in than you have spawned ships. Ask Cerberus. Ask Adv. Ask the three XP guys @smugfrog who I let chill in my cargohold while i cooked them a sled to leave cause being new they hadnt set a home.They’ve all gotten offered sleds to leave. And the loot I dont want usually goes into the sled. Ask the brand new guy who was a good sport who lost his miner CV who got 1.7m donated by AbN members(who probably are in top 5 for ganking).

You dont give people easy or free stuff to keep them around. You wreck them, send them home, and provide advice so next time they are better.

There plenty of factions like DRE who we killed a few times while they where out mining who learned and adapted and its hard to kill them now.

These are the type of people who build a lasting community.

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@RexXxuS

You could make it a dead moon of titan that would give you the shaders for resources. and a reason for low gravity. EGS bunker on the moon as well.

the idea sound like a fun area to play in. more individual or small group then big faction battles.

EGS bunker I meant like the star in homeworld.

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