OCD: Lets Discuss

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I went back and read your posts from the top. While you’re not for nerfing OCDs outright you would like to see them changed to balance the old/new players. Your exact words for context (and bolding by me for emphasis):

Three things, I guess:

  1. HWS is special partly because of the persistence of one’s achievements between wipes. You get to keep some of your progress between seasons even if it means rebuilding it all. It keeps people on HWS as opposed to going somewhere else to “fresh start”. On HWS there are few true “fresh starts.”
  2. New players will rarely if ever be on the same level as a player that’s been on the server for a while. If you are looking for an even playing field for a new player, it won’t be here. Every veteran player has friends, connections, and allies that will never be equal to that of a new player on the server.

You may be thinking, “That isn’t the point, this is about OCD equality not players”

In essence it is. Without a doubt, any equality in OCD would result in a negative change for people who have been playing here. If you want equality, you’re going to have to do more than “make everyone’s OCD equal” (which you did not say, I am exaggerating).

Now you may be thinking, “No, you can make it more available to new players”

Yes, you’d be right. However, at that point it’s taking away from game content and server funding. A negative impact on the server, a negative feeling for everyone who already bought the OCD (in-game or donation), for a positive impact on a new player that may or may not continue playing on the server. I’d say that persistence for everyone would be a good selling point for playing on HWS but that exists! OCD 1 is free and you’re given enough credits at the start to buy OCD 2! Sure, that isn’t starting with OCD 7 but it gives the players something to work toward.

Slight tangent, but what you are saying reminds me of the people who want everything handed to them when they start a game. Let’s give a few examples of this in popular games (from Wikipedia list of most popular games):

Minecraft: being given end-game materials and tools when you join a server. Part of the experience is working towards and evolving your “technology” as you explore and get more materials.
GTA V: You start with basically nothing in single player and online. You work (heavily grind) your way up to get the cool stuff that makes you stronger.
Skyrim: What fun would this game be if you were overpowered right from the start? You start at the bottom and work your way up.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3: To be honest, I was kind of surprised that this was above MW2. I never played MW3 but if it’s like any COD game ever there is progression. You level up and unlock new weapons, perks, cosmetics, etc.

I think you get the idea. None of these games hand players everything at the start. Why? Content. In some cases there’s monetary incentives too. On HWS both of those are present as well.

Anyway, on to my final point:

  1. If you equalize the OCD, what about the resources long-time players have in them?

If you want to equalize the gap between new and old players you’re going to have to wipe the OCDs at the start of each season. At that point, why have them?

In your very first post, you are attacking returning players for having an advantage. Yes, once you play long enough and become a “veteran” to the server you’ll have those advantages as well. They take work to get. Filling the OCD is not an overnight thing.
The gap is there because people have spent way more time on this server than you have and have earned/bought the perks or advantages that they have.

Changes or alterations to the features of the OCD could be beneficial, yes! When you start by making a case for equality (in a survival crafting game), however, you come across as a player who wants things handed to them instead of working towards it like everyone else. It was (and to a point still is) my impression and I’m sure that’s why there is a lot of negativity towards your posts from veteran players on HWS. Perhaps try pitching this idea again later with less equality on your agenda.

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Thanks for that, I appreciate you being willing to take the time to at least read through my posts thoroughly to try and understand the perspective I’m attempting to portray.

No, not exactly. I have said (possibly here and elsewhere) that I am purposely approaching the server from the perspective of a new solo player. I have friends on the server that are from varying different factions but am not trying to draw them into any of this because frankly they don’t agree with me and I don’t blame them. They also don’t agree with one another’s perspectives so that’s not really an arguing point that can be used against me either lol.

If I were fishing for likes on the server I would have either kept quiet or said that the OCD needs a buff and more space because you can quickly tell that the vocal minority would rally behind that. The amount of likes on this topic alone can reflect that. Even when I make decent points there are no likes for me because I represent a change, even if it’s not a nerf. At the same time you can see where anytime I am called a name or words are put in my mouth telling me that I have an agenda, when I don’t, the likes stack up behind that person. It’s because this server has a group of loyal players that will band together against a perceived threat. That’s the very reason I decided to approach the server as a solo newcomer. That’s the very reason I decided to start this topic. You guys attack anyone that presents topics of change instead of trying to openly discuss them. You give responses like:

  1. You’re new to the server wait awhile until you know more
  2. That will chase off big factions that pay money
  3. You haven’t participated in X so you don’t know what you’re talking about

To 1 - Your attitude like that will chase off people, let them have their input and discuss things with them instead of shutting them down.

To 2 - Big factions are chasing off new players which is why they feel the need to say something. The server only grows if it continues to bring in new people.

To 3 - They may be trying to get around to it but this doesn’t justify telling them they have no right to comment.

Please point to where there was any attack on any returning players for having an advantage. If you perceived any attack that’s a misinterpretation on your part.

  1. I stated how I would personally do it if I were the one to have designed the OCD myself in order to get that out in the open at the very start. I think it’s important, to be honest up front.
  2. I stated that this is Rex’s server and that I feel that returning/loyal players deserve a reward for doing so. The amount of reward is up to the server owner and I don’t personally want to influence that.

These are separate things that you decided to lump together. Just wanted to clarify that in case there was still confusion there. My personal stance on the OCD is irrelevant because I’m not the server owner and I am not trying to push for a smaller/lite OCD version because I know how hard all of you have worked for what you have. I do want to see the removal of the negative attitudes that I see from the player base anytime the OCD is mentioned though. There’s zero reasons why I should be assaulted the way I have been for wanting to discuss it in a reasonable manner, the way I have been doing.

I did want to open up discussion for where the OCD could be opened for enhancement since Rex has an interest in doing that.

What am I pitching? I opened a discussion, go look at the summary of the discussion. The only thing I “pitched” came after having a discussion with a couple others and that was the high/low orbit concept to allow PvP access at lower OCD levels and introduce risk along with it. Other than that the other ideas came from other people that have been here longer than you.

EDIT: I will admit one fault, though it seems to have worked in drawing people in who might not have otherwise come to the discussion, the title was kinda click-baity. I have changed the title, in case that was something that was setting off veterans of the server, to something less confrontational but even several of those who came in guns blazing ended up willing to discuss after they realized I wasn’t an evil OCD-hater as they initially thought. Thanks to those that were willing to let the discussion happen.

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I don’t understand why you think this will enhance the OCD or anything.

If it’s voluntary, why would anyone voluntarily use it? Why would I put anything of value into those slots if it could be stolen?
Instead, anyone that would opt-in to the hacking would most likely only have something worthless in those slots (like 1 crushed stone).

If it was mandatory then you’ll probably see people leave in large numbers.

Either way, it seems like a TON of coding work for zero real benefit or enhancement to anyone.

This game WILL NEVER be balanced between veterans and new players, ever.
A veteran will know the ins and outs of the game already, likely to already have allies, etc,etc. A new player won’t.

You can’t balance the OCD for new vs veterans unless you wipe it every single day. There’s always going to be a new player and they are always going to be behind. Fact.

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We could start every single player at square 1…

and veterans will be at end-game within 48 hours.

It’s happened before. It will likely happen again and again especially at release.

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I don’t understand why you think it won’t

Some people would carry it on their person some would put it in their OCD depending on their style of play or if they have a ship that is still capable of fighting. If it’s optional why are you still so against it? What would be the threat to you at this point if it were made completely optional?

That depends on who you’re talking to, I personally can see people trying to use it as a quick escape exploit as well. The same way that the marketplace was used previously, that’s why some time limitations would be needed so there’s still risk involved as well as the vulnerability to lose what is in their [low orbit] OCD inventory. I’m not certain about exact times or numbers myself at this point which is why I want to discuss it.

Duh!

Absolutely!

Honestly I’m not sure who you guys are arguing with about the whole veterans and new players will never be on the same footing…I’m well versed in this and have been since I played on Weekenders years ago and stomped on new players constantly in a smaller faction. This is not something that is lost on me and was never the point of my post. Your perception of my post is a bit off and I have tried multiple times to explain that. All I was doing was trying to be honest up front about my personal opinions so you know where I as a person stand. I don’t make the rules on the server and am not trying to make things equal for all at the season starts, nor do I want that. I like the OCD, OAM, etc. The systems to reward veteran players are great, they are what make HWS a great server and part of why the server is on top. I just also want to help new players feel welcome on the server so am personally taking on the impression of a solo new player and not joining up with friends in the big factions, which I could do, so that I can see what it feels like as a solo player.

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So a little context here as to why people keep reacting to this post in a particular way. These are the previous “OCD” related posts:

Like I said, generally when someone opens up a “lets discuss how to fix OCD” discussion, it turns rapidly into a “We need to all be the same” sort of socialist argument. Hence the initial response from most. Perhaps if the title of the thread were “OCD Enhancement discussion” or something like that, or if ya hadnt spent so much time saying over and over again that it is fine if rex wipes the OCD, that no one can complain lol.

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Fair enough, and I have stated that I understand the negative response to the idea of reduction in OCD size and poor implementation of ideas. That’s exactly why I created the thread so the ideas could be discussed rather than us just see new concepts be released without us having any say whatsoever. I think you realized that which is why you changed your tone and made your own suggestions.

I’m not opposed to buffs to the OCD personally, I just think they need to be thoughful buffs that have purpose and not just buffs for the sake of making the powerful even more powerful, hence my desire for discussion. One thing I do not agree with is the constant attack on my character which is what it turned into when I disagree with statements brought up. A discussion has two sides, I am allowed to disagree and so are they. They present their side and I counter. I present mine and they counter, so on and so forth. Everyone puts out ideas and we try to come up with clever ideas that might end up pleasing THE MOST people because we can’t please everyone.

I never once asked for a nerf. I never once asked for the ability to hack into the resources that they have spent several seasons saving up. I asked for open discussion and when others brought up hacking I presented the concept of introducing it in an optional environment where it would not impact them in which the opposition still refuses to give any merit to the idea/concept. Even if others would love the feature being added and they can remain completely removed they still want to attack my character and argue against it. It’s just the level of negativity on the server that made me want to approach the topic in the first place.

I won’t back off because it is a feature that others asked Rex about(he said so) and because Rex is interested in adding new features so I say it’s worth exploring. My lack of time on the server has no impact on my merit with the topic at all, but they want to claim it does, anyone can tell that the OCD is a good thing. I have good friends that benefit hugely from it and I don’t want to see them lose that benefit. It’s the fact that I want to see new features continue to be added that I approach the subject and no amount of belittling will discourage me lol.

I did, however, admit that the title was a bit poorly worded, but the way this server’s veterans treat new players is kinda atrocious. “You’re new so shut your mouth” should not be tolerated. I didn’t try to tell anyone how to play, but I was singled out because I brought up a topic that people on the server are very sensitive about. Though I don’t know why since I am actually trying to help make sure the server has a voice rather than no voice at all.

Would you rather:

  1. Rex just doesn’t tell you anything because he knows you always react like a$$holes and then makes changes anyway
  2. Discuss things with me to give Rex ideas of how to properly implement features so that everyone is more satisfied with new features

I personally would prefer number 2.

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We saw the description of the OCD. We bought the OCD and used it as intended. Someone comes along and wants to change what we bought and worked hard on when he could just get something different himself and leave us alone. You can wrap it up any way you like, you can piss in a jar and call it Grannies tea, but you can’t make us drink it.

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We know it matters because it took everyone a while to figure out the meta of HWS. This server is built around PvP. The OCD and OAMs enable much more PvP. I have explained that to you several times now. YOU WILL NOT grasp it until you actually PVP. Seriously.

Until you start using 2000 135 rockets in an hour just for SV fights, then jump in an HV and use 2000 more along with 200 Art, 600 plasma, and 15mm if you choose. Then drop 3 bases full of ammo to last 6 - 8 hours with all turrets. Start doing this every day. Join the server ONLINE instead of trying to critique it from afar.

How many battles on GG, Armageddon, or Homeworld have you been in this season?
What is you current experience with the block limits RexXxuS DID change.
What do you think of the Gold Rush instance?
Tell us please about your knowledge of HWS.

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Using symbols to hide your vulgarity from chat filters is so immature.

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The server isn’t just for the PvP players though, you do know that right?

Yes, and now Rex is the one that wants to change the description, so what? I am merely trying to discuss the OCD peacefully and with a level head and you want to come in here and flip tables and do everything in your power to prevent that rather than try to be reasonable so we can make progress.

Who knows, the end result could be MORE space in the OCD in high orbit with specialty slots that can be bought individually for access in PvP that are the only things that can be hacked. You don’t know what decisions will be made by Rex, you just refuse to discuss and merely want to attack my character because what? I joined the server 4 months after you?

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Nah, more of a jest than anything else, not really angry or anything just emphasis. I was in the Marine Corps, trust me I swear a lot more than this in person doesn’t have anything to do with my maturity level just with the people I was around for years and the kind of environment I lived in.

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So all these things Rex is doing now, before anything with the OCD, you don’t want to discuss. Why not. These are his priorities. You seem to have your own.

And in another thread you are complaining about garage ships in PvP, why? If you don’t PvP and have never fought one what makes you think you could have any opinion at all?

Now you use Marine Corps as an excuse for foul language? My father-in-law was INFANTRY Marines in Vietnam, sole survivor of his unit multiple times, killed more soldiers than anyone should, and he did not use foul language. He was too mature to allow others to pull him down to their level of speech. He died 15 years ago from complications caused by agent orange exposure with grenade shrapnel still in him. He used his experience in the Marine Corps to become a better man, not as an excuse to curse.

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No I didn’t, I said I personally don’t have a stake in garage ships.

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Whoa, slow down. I said I swear more in person. Then said I used this particular swear word as emphasis because yet again you want to call me names. Once again I’m not attacking your character even though you’re the one doing nothing but slinging hate. I used the Marine Corps to explain that lifestyle doesn’t mean less maturity. Try to learn to separate things instead of lumping everything together.

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To quote you…
"Before Garage ships were hard to kill, now Garage ships are still hard to kill. Before you would purchase garage ships and add armor to max out the block count, now you will still purchase garage ships and add armor to max out the block count. Nothing has changed for small factions and solo players. Maybe Garage ships have gotten harder for large factions to counter with standard PvP ships though, idk that could be a thing.

Someone set up a server with the HWS config and spawn in some garage ships vs some standard PvP ships to see how brutal the difference really is."

Calling the difference ‘brutal’ and ‘hard to kill’ would sound like complaining to most people. But considering you have never fought one, you are just talking without meaning.

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Show me where I called you names…

Sorry, my bad, you said I ‘want’ to call you names, lol. I can think of a few…

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Yea, I was saying nothing has changed to tell the other guy that was complaining about garage ships to get over it.

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What is funny is that I believe most of us think you mean well. You want us to think about new ideas involving the OCD, but we are too busy planning strategies for the battlefield and redesigning ships and then implementing those strategies. We don’t want to have to think about the OCD. It exists to simplify our hectic PvP lives. Anything that would complicate the logistics of our battlefield is frowned upon.

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Then at least stop attacking my character because that is frankly unnecessary. You’ve done it non-stop and it has distracted from being able to discuss with others about good ideas for the OCD. If you don’t have anything to contribute then go back to the game. When I have time to get in the game you’ll get plenty of time to take out your aggression on my rookie designs while I work on perfecting them.